[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by asolare

I'm not sure the sales figures show that people like the grille on the 4 series better than the 3 series. I am expecting delivery on a 430i next week and ordered it not because I like the grille on the 4's better (I don't) but because I like the form factor of the 4's better and can tolerate the grille enough that it is less important to me than the other reasons I prefer the 4 over the 3.

Only a fool would buy a car whose front end he found abhorrent, especially at these price levels and especially with so much competition in this form factor. If you're that outlier that's your choice, but the masses have voted with their wallets and they love the 4 Series design.

Listen, just because it used to be a popular forum narrative to dump on the G26 a couple of years ago doesn't mean you have to pander to the crowd here just to fit in.

Man up.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by zlatko

In Europe where you can buy G21(the touring variant) the bizarre (aka hideous) front end of the 4 stands no chance.

Sorry, but a station wagon owner has no business offering an opinion on BMW styling. Keep quiet. We'll let you know when it's your turn to speak.

The masses have spoken, they voted with their wallets, and the G26 is the best-selling 4-door sedan/coupe BMW offers. You and your soccer mom wagon can't win this argument, a 3 Series Sedan owner can't win this argument, an M3 owner can't win this argument. No one can. It's over. The G26 took the body blows and came out the champion. It's quite a success story. BMW took major chances and it worked. Splendidly.

[zlatko]

toddwalton - sorry, but ugly beaver teeth owner has no say in any kind of styling discussion. STFU and keep being delusional about G26's front end. Suck it up - it's ugly but a great car otherwise

[blue_seather]

The Gran Coupe with M Sport package looks super aggressive. The grille looks bad only if you focus on it. If you let it merge with the rest of the front end, it actually looks pretty nice. Here's a comparison of a 4 Coupe with a chrome grille to an AC Schnitzer tuned Gran Coupe with a blacked out grille and an EU plate:





A night and day difference. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, though, I guess. I, personally, adore the look of the front end on the second pic. However, I agree that Todd is wrong. He lives in his US bubble and is skewing statistics to his own benefit. The overwhelming 4 series sales is purely a US stat and it's a combination of two reasons - no 3 series EV and no 3 series touring. It has literally nothing to do with the looks of the vehicle. Everywhere else in the world, the 3 series sales dwarf the 4 series's, especially if you remove the i4 EV out of the equation. They're even cancelling the model which speaks for itself. I just hope the Neue Klasse platform gets a liftback style some day, as I really like the form factor.

[asolare]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Only a fool would buy a car whose front end he found abhorrent, especially at these price levels and especially with so much competition in this form factor. If you're that outlier that's your choice, but the masses have voted with their wallets and they love the 4 Series design.

Listen, just because it used to be a popular forum narrative to dump on the G26 a couple of years ago doesn't mean you have to pander to the crowd here just to fit in.

Man up.

You're the fool. Did I say I found it abhorrent? Do you even know what abhorrent means? I said it was tolerable and others than a fool would know the difference in meaning between those two words.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by zlatko

toddwalton - sorry, but ugly beaver teeth owner has no say in any kind of styling discussion. STFU and keep being delusional about G26's front end. Suck it up - it's ugly but a great car otherwise

Okay, soccer mom. Whatever you say. After all, someone who drives a station wagon must know all the latest skirt and blouse trends.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by blue_seather

However, I agree that Todd is wrong. He lives in his US bubble and is skewing statistics to his own benefit. The overwhelming 4 series sales is purely a US stat and it's a combination of two reasons - no 3 series EV and no 3 series touring. It has literally nothing to do with the looks of the vehicle.

The US is BMW's single biggest market! It's not a bubble; it's what sets the direction for the entire corporation.

No one buying a car at this level of price/luxury is going to deliberately choose one that he thinks has a hideous front end. That is a laughable position to take, that enthusiasts and regular drivers alike consumed with brands and public perception here in the social media era would turn a blind eye to the very face of the vehicle itself for what, a lift back? A battery pack? When they already own an SUV or could easily afford an electric as a second or third car? What idiot would do that? LOL, nice try.

The 'bubble' are people in denial how they were incredibly wrong about the 4 Series. Instead of getting defensive, they should apologize. All G26 owners are owed an apology based on how we have been treated the last 3+ years.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by asolare

You're the fool. Did I say I found it abhorrent? Do you even know what abhorrent means? I said it was tolerable and others than a fool would know the difference in meaning between those two words.

The point is it's 2024 and the days of the 4 Series put-downs are over. There was a contest. A four-door midsize form factor Championship. The 4 Series won. The 3 Series lost. Shocking, I know.

You don't have to be like the few remaining rats following the Pied Piper. I'm positive that next week when you're driving around in yours you will just love the front end. And you'll love all the compliments you get from complete strangers each week. I had another one just this morning.

[LostInSpace]

Pretty sure China is BMWs biggest market, which is one reason we're seeing redesigns with obnoxious grills.

[asolare]

Originally Posted by LostInSpace

Pretty sure China is BMWs biggest market, which is one reason we're seeing redesigns with obnoxious grills.

2023 (Full Year) Global: BMW and MINI Sales Worldwide
January 9, 2024 by Henk Bekker
In full-year 2023, the BMW Group (including MINI) increased worldwide sales by 6.5% while battery-electric car sales increased by 74%.

In 2023, China was again by far the most important single-country market for BMW with almost a third of global output. The USA was the second-largest market for BMW followed by Germany.

and: https://medium.com/automotion/bmw-is...c-c62908e22665

[blue_seather]

"followed by Germany". I'm pretty sure that if you count Europe as one single market, the US is smaller than that. Also, look at the global 3 vs 4 series sales. I've posted it somewhere before, and it's not even close for the 4 series. I'll repeat myself once again - I adore the 4 series and hate to see it being sold less than the 3 series but facts are facts, that's it. Also, as I already mentioned - they are pulling the stops on the 4 series. Those LCIs are the last we're going to see from it. If it was so hot, they'd never do this.

[asolare]

Originally Posted by blue_seather

"followed by Germany". I'm pretty sure that if you count Europe as one single market, the US is smaller than that. Also, look at the global 3 vs 4 series sales. I've posted it somewhere before, and it's not even close for the 4 series. I'll repeat myself once again - I adore the 4 series and hate to see it being sold less than the 3 series but facts are facts, that's it. Also, as I already mentioned - they are pulling the stops on the 4 series. Those LCIs are the last we're going to see from it. If it was so hot, they'd never do this.

BMW Sales in 2023

By Region
Europe 942,805
Asia 1,070,142
Americas 480,380

By Country
Germany 281,986
China 824,932
USA 395,741

[dod328430]

Originally Posted by blue_seather

Woud love to find out where to get that front splitter. I've been looking for a low profile one just like that.

[335aw]

That is all AC from what I grabbed off that picture (above the side skirt)

https://www.acschnitzer-us.com/custo...upe-g26/cgk892

[blue_seather]

Yeah, AC Schnitzer. A bit on the pricey side, though.

[335aw]

Originally Posted by dod328430

Woud love to find out where to get that front splitter. I've been looking for a low profile one just like that.

https://www.acschnitzer-us.com/ac-sc...-g23-g26/p4406

[psulaw]

Originally Posted by komoornik

Why do you have your location set as Germany?

Because I live in Stuttgart, Germany.

[komoornik]

But then you mentioned spec of US cars, I guess while mostly in here we were discussing the lack of ventilated seats in Europe

[psulaw]

Originally Posted by komoornik

Interesting, as ventilated seats are also nowhere to be seen in German configurator. Which leather options those were?

Oh, I’m sorry. I posted a message about not getting ventilated seats for the car I just ordered because they were only available in two colors. Then you quoted my message and said, “which leather options those were?” So I responded with the two leather options that offered ventilated seats. Perhaps I misunderstood your reaponse to my message. I referred to the North American pricing guide because I bought a US-spec car (in Germany). I am a US citizen and will be returning to the US later this year. I hope that clears everything up. My apologies if there was a misunderstanding.

[zlatko]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Okay, soccer mom. Whatever you say. After all, someone who drives a station wagon must know all the latest skirt and blouse trends.

OK, redneck boy, keep living in your bubble and dreaming for beaver-teeth grilled BMW pickup truck We, "soccer moms" will keep driving tourings

[335aw]

Hopefully you are both done now. Enough of that nonsense.

[asolare]

Originally Posted by 335aw

Hopefully you are both done now. Enough of that nonsense.

Right, this is becoming infantile.