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Anyhow, I'm more concerned about how this thing will turn out overall. Will it be absolutely dull and forgettable in every metric like the new 7-series is? Or will it actually drive the way a BMW should and look better inside and out than the competition like it always used to. I'll place my money on the former unfortunately. |
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I’ve had all of the above and disagree with the blanket statement. Each generation had its pros and cons. Compared to the E36/E46, the E90 non-M had wooly steering that was dipped in molasses (horrible sticky feel) and the M3 had the super light servotronic standard. E90 non-M handling also too soft for the weight of the car, M3 was a good handling car but the E46 sport/ZHP was better in some respects (steering feel for example, less weight). No sense using rosy glasses, to pick only the best bits to remember the past. As far as feeling “like a BMW”, the F80 is up there and then some: manly, brutal, quick, playful, and the best handling stock of any BMW I’ve tried to date. Doesn’t sound very good, but it’s a badass car.
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^I respectfully disagree. The E90 and the lot still had an excellent feel for the road and were heads and shoulders above the competition in all areas.
There's no doubt that BMW's driving dynamics took a severe nosedive ever since the release of the E89 Z4 and F10 5er around 2009/2010. Those models began the domino effect of the modern day "numb" feeling BMWs. Every new model has felt far less driver-focused than its predecessor. These cars honestly feel like they belong to a different brand altogether. The F80, while a very solid vehicle relative to the competition, definitely feels more isolated/numb than the E90 and prior generations. |
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02-13-2018, 09:52 PM | #94 | |
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The E92 335i stick Sport I had before the M3 was a handling dog, with that horrible steering, mushy suspension, bad ride quality on runflats and an open diff. It was an engine looking for a better chassis, which it may or may not have gotten in the 335is. I still liked the M better than all the non-M variations. The E46 was interesting - the M3 had an incredible engine and a quick reacting chassis but very little steering feel, so for that generation the ZHP was the pick of the bunch for steering feel and perfectly street-tuned chassis (M3 damping was also a bit iffy IMO). But the M had that sweet sweet engine, so there you go, pros and cons. And so on with the E36... I agree that the regular current 3 series has been softened up considerably compared to previous. I guess it’s a different world today, even Porsche has calmed down the feel of their cars by an incredible amount. Today’s 991 feels like a sedan compared to a corresponding 997, which was positively brimming with feel and energy. Could BMW be tweaking the sportiness level of their current bread and butter models up without losing any sales? Probably IMO, but they aren’t asking for my opinion these days. So yeah guys, feel free to desert the brand in protest, maybe BMW will revert course. Not sure where you’d go to though. Lexus IS maybe?
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Nothing wrong with liking the E90. I loved mine. But I moved on to a better performance platform.
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Honestly the DCT in the f80 was greats and the low end torque made it a lot of fun without drawing too much attention to it. after driving both I was convinced the E92 m3 was going to be my next car. I wish I liked the f80 since it's newer and has more tech to it but I can't get over that engine and design. I'm glad you're liking your f80 though. I've heard mixed feelings about people who have moved up to the newer cars. |
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I wonder if there's any chance the 440i coupe will have a RWD or manual option. I think the new ZF8 is amazing - it convinced me to switch to an auto after driving 3 pedal BMWs for the last 11 years - but it would be nice to know I could get a new (non-M) BMW with a stick if I ever wanted to.
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The new 340d though is putting down some good numbers also. That should be great for everyday driving. I think fuel economy on that new Diesel is probably not so bad either |
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Probably auto and xdrive only.
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Auto is definitely not the obvious pick just due to traffic. I still drive my E36 M3 5MT to work once in a while and the MT doesn't bother me one bit. If my back could handle the seats in that car on a regular basis, I'd rather drive that than my G30 5 series which is more bland than a Mazda. BMW truly is watering down their brand to the point of being indistinguishable from anyone else |
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Lol I don’t know, I’ve owned those cars as well as gt3’s and lots of other Porsche’s, etc and the e9x steered really well, talking about the 335i The Current m2 and M3 are no match to the 1m and the e9x M3 is debatable Overall newer BMW’s aren’t as connected as the older ones |
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Just jump to the new upcoming gt4 and leave bmw behind 😂 Or if you don’t give a rats ass about being in the shop all the time get the Alfa Quadrifoglio |
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