[sdshah]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Fixed it for ya

M8 = modern hummer

[kgroschi]

The new tachometer looks terrible in my opinion. Both versions of it in fact. BMW really needs to get their shit straight.

[glukhanko]

The wait is high, but some design solutions are questionable:

— The gear shifter itself doesn't look better, than the current one. I was hoping G20 will get the one from G30. Hopefully, the shifter in this photos is an optional sport one (2TB).

— The gear indicator on the console (not the shifter itself) looks really ugly.

— Which finger they suppose people to press the parking button with?

— The AC and music controls changing their places may have sense (I personally don't change the temp that much, but sometimes do press the "next song" button, which is now located quite far from driver), but will take time to get used to.

Other than that it is shaping very nicely! The F30 when in was announced had a lot of new design solutions, like the headlights-to-grille or layered interior. I hope the G20 will be surprising and fresh, other than lazy and predictable.

[rpagianotto]

I really dislike the speedo and tachometer needles rotating in opposite directions. Hopefully there'll be a configurable option for the cluster that shows traditional dials!

[ron_jeremy]

Looks promising, much better than expected. The gear shifter is horrible though, Looks like the one in the F90.

[Kiwi]

The one thing I like about BMW's computer screens is the height they are at as it means I don't have to lower my eyes much off the road ahead. Now with BMW lowering the screen down means you'll lose contact with the road ahead. Not a great safety move by BMW.

[Takumi587]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yes yes yes!!!

Finally!! A departure from the floating iDrive screen design! This is what I have been waiting for!

It also looks like there is still separation between the iDrive screen and the instrument cluster screen, which I is great! Unlike how in the current Mercedes E-Class where it is all just one big long horizontal screen.

The buttons themselves below the vents look like a great design too. Seems like BMW is finally doing a different design for the interior of BMWs. This is one reason why I don't like the G30 5-Series, it just simply continued upon what the F30 started, then the G11 got it, and then they simply transferred that basic interior layout to the G30. Now with the G20 we are finally getting something different.

I am happy to see the iDrive screen placed in a less floating/standup design. The new Audi A8 also follows this new trend of placing the main screen below the dash instead of on top of it and the new A8 interior looks F-ing awesome. This is also another reason why I love my F10, no floating iDrive screen!

I really really can't wait for the M340i! I also can't wait until they confirm that America is getting an M340i with a 6 Speed Manual Option. Everything looks promising so far. I wonder if it is too much to hope for that they redesign the front bumper so that the headlights no longer touch the kidney grills too, or maybe that's asking for too much? Lol!

Couldn’t agree more with you. I do not like the floating screen at all in the new BMWs. My wife felt the same way which is why she got the Giulia as opposed to the C or 3 series. Was planning on getting an F80 M3 in 2018 but the next gen M3 might be worth the wait! Exciting times ahead.

[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by Kiwi

The one thing I like about BMW's computer screens is the height they are at as it means I don't have to lower my eyes much off the road ahead. Now with BMW lowering the screen down means you'll lose contact with the road ahead. Not a great safety move by BMW.

Instrument cluster and nav screen are nearly useless anyway except to select music.

The HUD shows me everything I need and makes the instrument cluster and nav screen mostly redundant.

Tach could be helpful in MT cars if they are as quiet as the G30 is, otherwise i dont even need that, just shift by feel and sound

[stefan]

Looks like unintuitive HVAC controls remain albeit redesigned.

Why can't they just copy the R8?

[mhjeep]

I am not encouraged by seeing an electronic E-brake. I wish there was some way they could keep a manual one on the next M3 but that will probably be too much to ask.

[DrivenByE30]

Looks like BMW continues to put the media controls on the wrong side of the steering wheel...

I am not buying this car !

There is simply no logic to this decision, and it is poor form and function... the worse ergonomics, especially for a manual car.

I am definitely NOT buying this car .

[autopal]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

Looks like BMW continues to put the media controls on the wrong side of the steering wheel...

I am not buying this car !

There is simply no logic to this decision, and it is poor form and function... the worse ergonomics, especially for a manual car.

I am definitely NOT buying this car .

You making a mountain out of a mole hill man. There are many reasons to buy or not to buy a car, this is the most absurd I've seen. We are talking about a German performance sports sedan, and if this is your reasons for not buying, then all I can say is LOL, I don't think anyone cares.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by LemonOne

Here is the translation:

M2 = modern M3/M4
M3 = modern M5
M5 = modern M7

So next time you see M3, think of it as an M5. Same car different badge.

This math has been the case for years. It's crazy how the series are growing.

Example:

M2 = e46 M3 (+/- an inch)

[f30GTR]

Originally Posted by autopal

You making a mountain out of a mole hill man. There are many reasons to buy or not to buy a car, this is the most absurd I've seen. We are talking about a German performance sports sedan, and if this is your reasons for not buying, then all I can say is LOL, I don't think anyone cares.

I actually care... BMW has done the single most idiotic thing ever. Putting the volume controls of the steering wheel on the right side where the volume knobs resides only 8 or so inches away. It's redundant! Yes, I also drive manual.

[ArturPL]

Originally Posted by glukhanko

...sometimes do press the "next song" button, which is now located quite far from driver

I hate this so much. At least you can do this with HUD easily.

Also, put the Sync button on the 3er!

[TypeRSTI]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

Looks like BMW continues to put the media controls on the wrong side of the steering wheel...

I am not buying this car !

There is simply no logic to this decision, and it is poor form and function... the worse ergonomics, especially for a manual car.

I am definitely NOT buying this car .

I have recently noticed this switching back and forth from an E46 M3 manual to F25; I too agree having the volume controls on the left side of the wheel is much more ergonomic especially on a manual. Honestly, even on an automatic it’s not as easy. I wonder when BMW made the switch?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

which leaves the door open for an m2gc. especially since the m2cs will have the s55. i can only assume the next m2 will have the s58 the x3m is getting.

No M2 GC. Read this thread to learn why:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425466

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by glukhanko

The wait is high, but some design solutions are questionable:

— The gear shifter itself doesn't look better, than the current one. I was hoping G20 will get the one from G30. Hopefully, the shifter in this photos is an optional sport one (2TB).

— The gear indicator on the console (not the shifter itself) looks really ugly.

— Which finger they suppose people to press the parking button with?

— The AC and music controls changing their places may have sense (I personally don't change the temp that much, but sometimes do press the "next song" button, which is now located quite far from driver), but will take time to get used to.

Other than that it is shaping very nicely! The F30 when in was announced had a lot of new design solutions, like the headlights-to-grille or layered interior. I hope the G20 will be surprising and fresh, other than lazy and predictable.

Agree shifter looks like a golf club. Current versions are much slicker.

Hope the fine air temp adjuster remains a wheel and not some stupid sub menu.

As for those worrying about steering wheel buttons, I don't expect we will see this generation, but it can't be long until we get custom/programmable OLED icon buttons in cars

Digital dash will probably become exploitable as a paid for download if you don't like existing dials.

[Steve_Jr]

does it looks like Z4 mass production car for load testing ? Instrument cluster and center display looks very different with other spy shot (recent shot from Spain ... )

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

No M2 GC. Read this thread to learn why:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425466

It remains to be seen if an M2 Gran Coupe is in the works to take on the Audi RS3. Thus far, there has been no indication of plans to make UKL-based M models (only M Performance models), but that could always change.

i was basing it on that the m2 will still be rwd focused and this statement. and that bmw has said a lot in the past yet we will see an awd m5 this year.

[TurboKoo]

Looking at the spy shots I see tow bar in a hybrid

I kind of dislike lower screen position but I can think it is for better usability of touch screen.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

i was basing it on that the m2 will still be rwd focused and this statement. and that bmw has said a lot in the past yet we will see an awd m5 this year.

Not sure of the context for that quote since you did not include the attribution portion as seen above where I quoted you for example. It looks familiar as something I wrote, but I had only said that as a matter of being thorough because it could not be ruled out completely, 100%.

The important information in that thread is that the 2 Series GC is known to be using a different platform from the 2 Series coupe and convertible. This now confirmed fact means that there is no "simple" business case for an M2 GC. Specifically, the following two factors apply:

a) there is no UKL M program
b) there is no RWD 4-door 2 Series program

This means an M2 GC, be it either RWD or FWD/AWD form will with a very high level of certainty not happen next generation.

To bring this back around to the your post I first quoted, nothing about the 3 Series - and thus the M3 - growing yet again opens any new doors. This fact did not open a door for this generation and the same door is still going to be closed for the next generation. The doors that would lead to a sub-3-Series vehicle suitable for homologation into an M product will, unfortunately, remain tightly shut. Does this mean it is 100%, completely impossible? Technically, no. But, by far the odds do not favor any such thing. The chances are tiny at best, and the slowly growing 3 Series form factor, again most unfortunately, does nothing to effect those chances.