Under cover new 3 Series M Performance

xlover · 09-19-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

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Originally Posted by Zara

I miss when the 3 series wasn't the size of a 5 series. The F30 is already big enough for a 3 series and I read somewhere that the G20 is supposed to be about 60mm longer than the F30.

Where did you read that? All indications here have been that it's not getting any bigger and if anything, it might be by an inch. Either way, it's going to weigh less than the F30 which is more important for driving dynamics.

This.

Word seems to be:
-Overall length staying about the same.
-Wheelbase slight increase
-Track got an increase (now similar to the f32/36 4 series, which everyone loves the look of)

Overall effect should be a visually lower and more aggressive stance

Don't forget height!! Xdrive models will now sit the same as the rwd counterpart for all suspension configurations.

Zara · 09-19-2018, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

Where did you read that? All indications here have been that it's not getting any bigger and if anything, it might be by an inch. Either way, it's going to weigh less than the F30 which is more important for driving dynamics.

Oh shit my bad, I just read the article again and it clearly states nothing is official yet.

This is what the article said though:
"The new 3 Series has grown in most key dimensions. Nothing is official, but Munich insiders suggest overall length is up by 60mm to around 4703mm. Some 20mm of this is said to be concentrated within a lengthened wheelbase, which has increased to almost 2830mm, up from 2810mm."

///M TOWN · 09-19-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

This Looks promising. Hopefully they have fixed the Tire noise as well?

With the Electric 3er coming they will have to solve many known quirks.

advantage20 · 09-19-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DCG

The exterior of the kidney grills look like Aluminum, not chrome over plastic.

This seems to me like the slightly darker Ferric Grey* matte shade that is found on all M Performance models, hence why I'm pretty sure this is an M340i / M340d

The regular non M Performance 3 Series (and the regular non Competition M3) will be getting the usual bright chrome grille surround.

Edit: Cerium Grey.

Aaaaaaaaa · 09-19-2018, 03:23 PM

Y'all have X-ray vision or something. Already concluding what color the paint and grilles are AND the dimensions?

nozydog · 09-19-2018, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zara

Oh shit my bad, I just read the article again and it clearly states nothing is official yet.

This is what the article said though:
"The new 3 Series has grown in most key dimensions. Nothing is official, but Munich insiders suggest overall length is up by 60mm to around 4703mm. Some 20mm of this is said to be concentrated within a lengthened wheelbase, which has increased to almost 2830mm, up from 2810mm."

I sure hope it doesn't grow by 60mm, that's almost 2.5 inches!!!

HighlandPete · 09-19-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nozydog

I sure hope it doesn't grow by 60mm, that's almost 2.5 inches!!!

Don't expect that it will be far off, if there is a 20mm increase in wheelbase. G30 increased 44mm in length, for a 7mm increase in wheelbase.

spuntyb · 09-19-2018, 04:32 PM

God I miss angel eyes

babaikram · 09-19-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spuntyb

God I miss angel eyes

Angel eyes are likely to be available as standard

dmboone25 · 09-19-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spuntyb

God I miss angel eyes

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Originally Posted by babaikram

Angel eyes are likely to be available as standard

I think he means the shape of the newer lights isn't to his preference.

On that note, I think it depends on the car - the Hex shape looks nice on the M2/M2C for example, but less so on other models IMO.

praxis218 · 09-19-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spuntyb

God I miss angel eyes

Yeah what the heck, it no longer looks distinctive.

advantage20 · 09-19-2018, 05:01 PM

Well since BMW has started using its corona rings light signature to suggest two double eyes, unfortunately quite a number of other brands have followed suit.

Volkswagen

Renault

Jaguar

Skoda?

Etc.

praxis218 · 09-19-2018, 05:03 PM

I'm curious, was there any flame surfacing before Chris Bangle? Obviously it's everywhere now.

Also did BMW invent the sharkfin antenna?

I'm having a vague recollection back in my E90 days in 2007 that all of that was distinctive BMW stuff.

uniqueMR · 09-19-2018, 05:10 PM

Cannot wait for official release

ASAP · 09-19-2018, 05:10 PM

Still on runflats?

Teutonic · 09-19-2018, 05:28 PM

- "Boss, we have the most iconic and beautiful signature in headlamps: the angel eyes. Shouldn't we use them since they are our history, our legacy?"
- "Nah, use those KIA Stinger daylight lights, we already took their grill didn't we?"..... "Oh, and don't forget to connect the grille with them again, I want to piss off every fan out there. And the hood line, the hood line is a must!"

khanyam4 · 09-19-2018, 06:13 PM

adoring the complaints so far

SCOTT26 · 09-19-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by advantage20

This seems to me like the slightly darker Ferric Grey matte shade that is found on all M Performance models, hence why I'm pretty sure this is an M340i / M340d

The regular non M Performance 3 Series (and the regular non Competition M3) will be getting the usual bright chrome grille surround.

Cerium Grey.

ddnmkun · 09-19-2018, 06:46 PM

when they design the F30 with such an ugly front end, anything upcoming with be a step up.
Great strategy BMW!

georgere · 09-19-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

BMW can't afford to mess this up. I personally think it looks promising.

I agree. This looks promising and it might be the last chance for bmw to keep the title in this segment

nozydog · 09-19-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Don't expect that it will be far off, if there is a 20mm increase in wheelbase. G30 increased 44mm in length, for a 7mm increase in wheelbase.

F10 = 4910mm / G30 = 4936mm... a difference of 26mm (1 inch)

If 5er only grew an inch this smaller car shouldn’t really grow more than that!? Extended wheelbase doesn’t necessarily mean more length if the overhangs are shortened!

enigma01 · 09-19-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cDu8

I think the problem is most enthusiasts aren't voting with their cash, or are only buying what they want on the used market. If people don't buy 'em, BMW won't make 'em.

I don't think it's the enthusiasts not voting with their wallets. I've been certainly doing my part. However, the enthusiast market is tiny compared to the mass market which BMW is going after with more SUV models than I can count with one hand.

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Absolutely. My Z3 M Coupe held a keg, had hard point attachments for a roof rack and aside from the tiny gas tank was perfect for two people.

Now that I have a little kid in tow, and a dog, I need rear seats and some back windows that go down. An M140i or a true 1M 5 door would be ideal for my needs now.

Unfortunately, the 1er (and X1) is now a FWD/AWD platform. If I wanted a FWD car, I am saving $ and getting a GTI instead. I was hoping for an M2 GC. Not that I am a fan of the GC idea, but I was looking for a small 4-door sedan (probably the size of e46). Now I have compromised with a 5er for family duties and an enthusiast 6MT model for fun.

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