05-17-2014, 10:15 AM | #157 |
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Please no more downsizing
BMW please don't turn the M division into a "save the planet" effort. No one buying an "M"car is looking to save the planet.
The M buyer is looking to feel the power, instant response, and yes, the sound. The sound is beautiful music to my ears. If you have ever driven an E46 or E92 to redline with the windows down, you know what I'm talking about. But don't worry, most people can't even afford an M car and only a fraction of the ones that can will actually want one. There are many people willing to save the planet during their commute and they will buy things like Prius or Leaf or Volt and even Tesla. Or even better just ride the bus or buy a motorcycle. I'm one of the lucky ones to have owned an E46 M3 and currently own an E92 M3.
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05-17-2014, 11:39 AM | #158 |
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You're knocking tree huggers and Tesla yet the Model S can do both the 0 - 60 and the 1/4 mile faster than the E9X M3.
Times are a changing. A decade from now, none of the best performing vehicles will be only running an ICE. |
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Think about both those questions very carefully.
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And the next step can be seen in Back to the Future 2... fuel your car with waste out of your trash bin
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05-17-2014, 10:31 PM | #163 | |
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although the only problem i see is if others are still using bigger more cylinder engines. like how AMG is going with a turbo v8 for the C63. the AMG is going to make more power, and make better sound. its more appealing engine wise. |
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05-17-2014, 10:42 PM | #165 |
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I can truly see BMW making a kick ass M car with a I4 cylinder. Like if AMG can do it then so can BMW. All I'm hoping for is a AWD BMW M car to come out one day so then I can purchase it (Rwd wouldn't work because of the winters here). Otherwise my next purchase will have to be a C63 if the next gen does go AWD.
P.S I personally think my CLA 45 sounds amazing, especially when its switching gears and making a explosion sound. At times it can sound like a V8, not often though (I have the performance exhaust)
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05-18-2014, 08:50 AM | #166 |
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When the tightening of fuel economy in the future, it is most likely possible not just with the M3/M4, but with all the competitors: M/B, Audi will follow suit with hybrid technology incorporated into it. The i8 is already giving us insight what the future will be.
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05-18-2014, 09:47 AM | #167 |
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What most of you are missing in Pries' comments is WEIGHT reduction. That is what makes a high performance 4 cyl engine feasible.
Two of my favorite cars -- most fun to drive, super quick -- are (1) Lotus super seven (1,100 lbs), and (2) my 2002tii that was stripped down to 1,740 lbs. Both had 4 cyl engines with under 200 hp. For sure a different thrill than a Ferrari 365BB with a 12 cyl engine. Over the years we have been slowly suckered into overweight automatic techno luxury hogs that can drag race and survive crash tests. I would love a 2,500 lbs. M3 with a ceramic block 4 cyl turbo. It would kill the E92 or F8x. We are more likely to see something like this in the Z2 first. For now the most fun BMW IMO is the s1000rr. 193 hp 4 cyl 440 lbs. 0-60 in 2.9 secs. Top speed 190 mph.
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Think single digit mpg. The thing with the Tesla is that superb dual nature during the commute, sitting quietly and super efficient in the lineup, and blasting it when traffic thins... |
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Battery technology probably won't evolve very much in the next few years. Batteries have been a hindrance for a long time, and developing lighter, higher capacity, faster charging, as well as cheap batteries has been a huge problem for companies from Tesla to Apple. Another huge problem is how they react to temperature. A drop to under freezing can reduce already small capacity by 40%. Batteries just aren't efficient. Electric motors are, but batteries aren't.
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A high output 4-cylinder engine could work if paired with two electric motors up front.
...and people complain about the F8Xs' exhaust note now. They'd have to upgrade the audio system to 32 speakers and 1200 watts.
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