[HQChong]

everyone blames the new car when it comes out lol

[tetsuo111]

Originally Posted by goj

Bmw has successfully brought more people to the brand every year. Forget enthusiast talk, BMW is appealing to more people than ever every year. It's natural to have some buyers look elsewhere but overall if someone has claimed to have always owned a 3 series the customer lifetime value seems to be very high. I'd say they succeeded

Expecting to appeal to everyone in the market is impossible. Every brand deals with this. Pretty elementary business knowledge

Right on!

There are more than enough new stance, pimp my ride, and college freshman drivers to compensate for the lost core demographic that put BMW on the map - drivers of "The Ultimate Driving Machine". Hard to imagine two more orthogonal demographics.

In the meantime, management unilaterally surrendered the compact sport sedan segment, defined and owned by Munich, in exchange for...

trying to catch Audi and Prius?

You're right - pretty elementary business knowledge! Can I hire you?

I prefer being remembered for building a great company and product. Even exceptional. Today's BMW ain't that.

[DML]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Which Porsche 911 special edition will you buy? And if you think BMW is " all about being a cash cow.." WOW do YOU have a surprise coming..

" According to Bloomberg, the company made an average of $17,000 in profit on each of the 238,000 cars it sold last year.
BMW and Mercedes make around $5,000 per car. "

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...er-car-profit/

Porsche is the king of " all about being a CASH COW " in auto manufacturing with the exception of Ferrarri.

Base Carrera starts about 93k but optioned the way i like about a buck 10. Well aware they're "all" about the dollar, been driving Bimmers since I was 19, frankly I'm rather bored. I'll enjoy my ZCP next couple years then move on. Can't wait to hear your suggestion

[bjcarls]

Originally Posted by DML

Did I ever state that it was returning?? BTW 911 territory here I come.

Sorry, didn’t know you were giving a history lesson.

Edit: Per above, I think people would be fine paying a little more if they got better dynamics, like a Porsche. It’s clear BMW can make a great M3, a better 3 series, but why is it taking 5 years into a generation cycle - M5 though is getting good marks, I hope the same for the 3, now somewhat back on topic. That’s what concerns me. Come on BMW!
And hey, I’ll probably keep buying BMW and wondering why this or that couldn’t be better. Because i won’t buy a p-car unless it’s a gt3, seems like they have a higher ratio of d-bags than BMW.

[DML]

Originally Posted by bjcarls

Sorry, didnÂ’t know you were giving a history lesson.

I don't have a clue what you're referring to. Had a long day, g'night.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

There is nothing on the market that compares to the e9x m3 no question there. Obviously I'm keeping the car for this exact reason. This hurts me to say but I'm more than likely going to end up in the new Audi S4.. not comparable to the e92 but I just can't get myself to give Bmw more money for a product that does not excite me at all, time for a change

If you're looking for excitement getting an Audi S4 after an E92 I expect you to be back with BMW (or elsewhere at Alfa, Merc or Porsche) in no time. The S4 is pretty much the least exciting choice in the category.

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by JSCO

looks like the headlights are running into the grills again.

I’m so glad about that, each to their own, but for me that’s one of the best bits of current BMW design!! These don’t look to be stepped like the current lights, but just a straight bottom all the way to the grille...

[georgere]

Not seeing major camo take off

[nozydog]

Looks pretty good to me, from what I can see! Aesthetically it should improve (& the current car still looks good imo) should be lighter and should drive better so what’s to complain about!?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I like the Active Cruise Control/front collision sensor being tucked back. Hopefully this change will reduce snow/ice buildup from disabling its functionality.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Sure looks like those kidneys have active grill shutters...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by gds52

Mini-Me of G11 7-series...why do they need camouflage

7 series =

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Which Porsche 911 special edition will you buy? And if you think BMW is " all about being a cash cow.." WOW do YOU have a surprise coming..

" According to Bloomberg, the company made an average of $17,000 in profit on each of the 238,000 cars it sold last year.
BMW and Mercedes make around $5,000 per car. "

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...er-car-profit/

Porsche is the king of " all about being a CASH COW " in auto manufacturing with the exception of Ferrarri.

But I will take quality over quantity any day.

So the Porsche special editions are worth it...but the BMW? A GTS is the best they can do, and are now going for under 100K.

I’d rather have something based off a true sports car any day, rather than a 2 door version of a mass produced sedan...cough, GTS, cough

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

BTW neither of the two newly photographed cars is an M340i. Look at the exhaust pipes.

I was going to say this!! The tips show its probably a 330 M Sport. Look at the closed air intakes where the aux radiator goes too.

[Bucki14]

Am I the only not the least bit excited about the G20

[cfm56d7b]

About the wheels on M340i ... are those going to be production wheels? Not the biggest fan of these wheels.

[autopal]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

About the wheels on M340i ... are those going to be production wheels? Not the biggest fan of these wheels.

Firstly, the car is testing with camouflage, so it's highly improbable that we are seeing production wheels, secondly, the car in these photos is not the M340i

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by autopal

Firstly, the car is testing with camouflage, so it's highly improbable that we are seeing production wheels, secondly, the car in these photos is not the M340i

Then - this is very encouraging. :-)

[LeMans E90]

I only came here to laugh at the inevitable whining about a car still under camo.

[RedGT3RS]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

There is nothing on the market that compares to the e9x m3 no question there. Obviously I'm keeping the car for this exact reason. This hurts me to say but I'm more than likely going to end up in the new Audi S4.. not comparable to the e92 but I just can't get myself to give Bmw more money for a product that does not excite me at all, time for a change

S4 or Audi’s in general, imo, drive worse than BMW’s, no steering feel and crap is what I think of them.

These are the days of modern cars, all turbocharged with autos

The reg gt3 and upcoming gt4 Cayman you can still get high revving NA with a manual transmission but there’s a price to be paid

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Nothing

Dude, you can make out enough lines to see the shape. It's not that hard. If I'm wrong then I'll admit it but I'm pretty sure it's gonna have a lot of design cues from the new 5 series.

I love the look of the E46 and F80 series but the E90 just didn't look that great. I think the G20 is gonna miss the mark for me.

[img]http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/up...i-f30-328i.jpg[/img]

Base E90 looked bad. LCI models with the M package still look very fresh after almost a
decade (came out in late 08). And they hit the nail with the current M3.

The new 5er and M5 look a bit too complicated and fussy to me but I bet that with time I'll warm up to them more. Just like I did with the i3. Lol

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by BMW M Power Mexico

If you're looking for excitement getting an Audi S4 after an E92 I expect you to be back with BMW (or elsewhere at Alfa, Merc or Porsche) in no time. The S4 is pretty much the least exciting choice in the category.

The s4 or all Audi in that regard pretty boring to drive unless you love the 0-120 straight-line performance only. Plus they just look rather boring.

I almost jumped into an S3 until I drove it and looked at it from all sides for a solid 5 minutes and my 2013 m sport 335 looked so much better and drove better.

Not too much out there honestly even though many advertise but I would sum it up like this if looking elsewhere off the 3 series platform especially away from the M3 that match the driving experience and dynamic department.

1. Quadrifoglio
2. ATS-V
3. C63AMG

You can say whatever you want but less M3 owning and driving a lesser model such as 335i/340i the only rival that seriously comes close is the Base Cadillac ATS. C43 and base Giulia are rubbish. Audi forget it. Lexus not even close.

So bottom line if he goes to the S4 he'll be back like you said and he can look at these two posts .