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      10-17-2020, 12:00 PM   #64
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Spartan wasn't the point. It was the necessary compromise to develop a program within total variable cost targets. Not necessary to go all the way to crystals to just have decent quality materials inside, but they are working on a tight budget and pressure to get to Elon's originally promised and never delivered entry price point. Not sure why BMW comes into your defense of poor quality in Tesla. "Whataboutism" never substantiates an original position. Tesla quality is objectively low all on its' own, regardless of what any other OEM does...so how is BMW or anyone else relevant as a defense of how many times Tesla has failed across all of its' models?
You can't take a response on a BMW forum in a thread about a BMW model where Tesla comes up specifically in comparison to BMW and say that another reply comparing BMW to Tesla, but now less favorably to BMW, is suddenly whataboutist.
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As to the BMW platform strategy, it's the opposite of complex. It allows developing different products from the simplicity and efficiency of a common platform. The complexity would result from trying to cross-load fundamentally different platforms in a shared plant during the time in history when they don't project a full plant's worth of just EV powertrain orders yet. Of course Tesla has a "dedicated" EV platform....they have nothing else to sell!!! If and when EV becomes dominant, more dedicated platforms will be developed, but there is nothing about this strategy that inherently causes this "difference" you hypothesize.
How is it not obvious that I was talking about the actual finished product and not about plant design? Do people walking into the showroom really care how the car was manufactured or that the brand is trying to juggle three different types of powertrains? They just want something that will work, day in day out. Teslas are a much simpler product, with fewer parts, and you can't have a failure of something that doesn't even exist in a car. And if Tesla has this advantage because they only build EV, well, tough luck.
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And, what is this "difference" are you trying to measure? Build quality? Conditions per vehicle? Large sample data already shows Tesla is bottom of the industry, so the gap is theirs to close.
"Large sample data" only addresses initial quality, which is not what I was talking about.
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