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Originally Posted by Picoschu
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Originally Posted by BlueF87M2
I dont think toyota will make another 20 years now where they found bmw to help them , as for the m2 sure less raw for the steering but everything else is there , this is just some progress about the steering . As for fake sounds , sure you can remove them , and the n55 sound especially with MPE sounds absolutely awesome ! The e30/36/46 M3's they also used BMW blocks and not M blocks, M heavy modified them , not just engine but as well everything else , chassis etc.. i looked up about e30 m3 , e36 and e46 m3s and found the blocks were from bmw again... same happened to the 1M and M2 ..
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If Toyota decides to not produce another Supra, then maybe this latest Supra will become a collector, or hold its value better, compared to an OG M2 or M2 Comp?
I don't think the OG M2 nor M2C will become collectors because they're not a very limited production vehicle. There's a whole thread discussing this at the moment. But so far everyone loves their OG/LCI M2s because of the sound of the N55 vs S55, which I agree with you on that part. N55 sounds a whole lot better than the S55.
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Originally Posted by Picoschu
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Originally Posted by BlueF87M2
I dont think toyota will make another 20 years now where they found bmw to help them , as for the m2 sure less raw for the steering but everything else is there , this is just some progress about the steering . As for fake sounds , sure you can remove them , and the n55 sound especially with MPE sounds absolutely awesome ! The e30/36/46 M3's they also used BMW blocks and not M blocks, M heavy modified them , not just engine but as well everything else , chassis etc.. i looked up about e30 m3 , e36 and e46 m3s and found the blocks were from bmw again... same happened to the 1M and M2 ..
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If Toyota decides to not produce another Supra, then maybe this latest Supra will become a collector, or hold its value better, compared to an OG M2 or M2 Comp?
I don't think the OG M2 nor M2C will become collectors because they're not a very limited production vehicle. There's a whole thread discussing this at the moment. But so far everyone loves their OG/LCI M2s because of the sound of the N55 vs S55, which I agree with you on that part. N55 sounds a whole lot better than the S55.
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If the current line up was 20 years before lets say and the f87 m2 and f80 m3 where that old , i would believe that . 2025 all M cars will be hybrid & from 2030 all M cars will be full electric . So , my personal opinion on collectors vehicles , is that all M cars will be special , since electricity is coming . Then who knows , M might be called iM , just like the X , its already been called as iX3 ...I just find the M2's N55 , a special engine since 235 is just a normal N55 , and the M2 N55 is a bit of a hybrid , some call it the single version of the S55 . As for everything else except engine are from the bigger brothers (M DCT , Suspension etc ) . For me the part that M took N55 , and installed many parts from M3/4 is enought . The S55 is a high performance version of who? The 235 N55 , not the M2's N55 ! Since M2 Engine has all the upgraded coolings as well and more other high performance parts used in other M cars so that guarantee the driver that it can manage the hard use . Of course S55 is more refined , more grown engine , can be modified more as well , sound for me sure the N55 sounds better but i dont have any problem with S55 engine (sounds like e92 335i twin turbo btw)
But bmw just did it the "easy" way , and just added a detuned version of M3/4 engine . Thats why maybe the OG M2 engine in my opinion is more special engine on this specific model . Dont forget , either they had to stop the F87 or just put another engine . I dont say this because i own one , i just want to decide if i keep my M2 , or upgrade it with the CS model . Just find the OG more special in some ways . If i had the chance back then i would pick more raw and old school cars .