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Originally Posted by drF80
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Originally Posted by Pauleebe
It's a hopeless argument and this happens every new 3 series generation.
Generally, the second-tier engined 3 series comes very close to the prior generation M3, and the prior generation M3 owners parade around the forum claiming that there is no way the new 3 series can hold a candle to their M3 in terms of performance or payment. It's happened with the E46 M3 vs. E92 335, E92 M3 and F30 340 (less close with this comparison, but probably one of many reasons that the F30 was a not-so-great 3 series), and now the F80 M3 and G20 M340.
It's called progress and it's nothing new to BMW or the automative industry.
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I believe it is the other way around. When N54 engine came out in 2006 or so, and BMW pumped out 300HP (vs. 333 in e46 M3) and 0-60 times came within a few 10s of a second, the argument was again around 335i being "progress". and we are seeing it again with the latest B58 in G20.
I would not say "it cannot hold the candle" but, I would say it is still a significantly different vehicle
But, my point was that with the progress, they made a significant "progress" on price too, and according to the posters above, they are all getting 10%+ off MSRP from multiple dealers. Something is not right there, no way that in 2006/07 you could get that discount on the e90 335i, or 7 years later on the F30. |
Assuming that incentives of this magnitude are unique to the pre-lci g20 generation (I'm not sure that they are), you have to consider that these are different times and different markets. People today want suvs. Sedans are less popular than they were even several years ago. This is not unique among bmw models.