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Originally Posted by 10"
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Originally Posted by CP911
Huh? Have you driven other torque-converter autos? There are none better than the ZF for all-around smoothness and consistency in all situations. It is a great compromise between refinement, reliability, # of gears, and "sporty" driving. The M235iR race car even uses it (in a different state of tune) and I don't think anyone driving that car would complain it is slow or not sporty enough. You either don't know what you're talking about or just trolling hard. Sure, it's no DCT or manual (either of which are my preference in a real sports car), but there is no denying the vast majority of people on the public roads will be best served by the ZF 8-speed.
I first realized how good it was when cross-shopping the latest Audi A4 and Allroad a few years ago. The Allroad drove so much better with the ZF compared to the A4 with the dual-clutch.
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plenty. it feels the same with fancy software. not for me, man.
they use these gearboxes because they are (A) cheap and (B) they don't break. otherwise they are total trash when it comes to driving enjoyment or sensation......
i'm not a huge fan of DCTs but DCTs feel night and day more fun than these ZF gearboxes.
Give me a 'slow' manual any day of the week. If i wanted to drive a torque converted slush box i'd get a 1980s Lincoln. Has no place in a modern performance car.
the reason these gearboxes don't matter anymore is because the vast majority (80%) of current "enthusiasts" don't care about the details. They lease cars for 3 years and then just buy another one. I come from the philosophy that you buy the most kickass car you can and KEEP THAT FOR YEARS and enjoy the hell out of it. Not these garage princesses that get paint protection and waxing for 80% of their time with their owners, don't get driven, come with all sorts of tech options but a crappy ZF gearbox----and then get sold to the next sucker who brags to people about his 0-60 'pull'. *pat on the back* |
I think you're in a total minority and fall into the same bracket as the type of people who prefer "raw" cars with no traction control or drive control features.
Unfortunately the future isn't bright for you unless you choose to build your own car (as a good friend of mine did this by creating a Dax Rush with a naturally aspirated 4.8l V8).
It created an epically beautiful and insane car but the reality is it was just a toy.
ZF gearboxes have brought sports car like gear changes to the masses and bulletproof reliability. Why should BMW change this?
I understand why you'd prefer older classics for the raw experience, but focus on enjoying those rather than berating what is clearly really frigging good product in modern BMW's.
I also suggest you jump into a Citroen Cactus automatic and then tell me how bad the ZF8 feels.
I had to endure one for a whole week while my car was at the workshop getting some bodywork done. It was the most horrific driving week of my life!