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      12-03-2018, 11:07 PM   #338
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Since when did it lose the crown... and in which segment? The F30 remained competitive right up to the end, with only the Jaguar pipping it for ride-handling balance (no, the Giulia is not fault-free; not everyone drinks the anti-BMW Kool-Aid).
You got a chip on your shoulder. No wonder people keep wanting to knock it off.
Just few examples:

Lets start with a funny but not funny one: Mazda no longer benchmarking BMW but Toyota Instead.
Mazda! I guess that this will tell you a lot.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/24/m...oyota-instead/
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-s-handle.html

"BMW enthusiasts know that some things have changed at the Bavarian marque and it is no longer prioritizing driving joy, despite proclaiming it is building the "ultimate driving machine." The way engineers program steering feel, engine response, and exhaust noise are making modern-day BMWs less engaging to drive, the connection between the driver and the machine is almost lost."
https://www.motor1.com/news/233390/m...oyota-not-bmw/

"Outside of its top-shelf M cars, most modern mainstream Bimmers lack the tactile engagement and driving joy that characterized their forebearers."
http://www.thedrive.com/news/18599/m...nchmarking-bmw

BMW acknowledge that the old cars where better and that newer generations are not what BMW used to be. Obviously BMW Development Chief heard that from too many sources, not just me...
http://www.thedrive.com/news/24140/b...rs-were-better

M3, a broken benchmark.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/12678...-sedan-review/
https://axleaddict.com/auto-industry...-The-Benchmark

A comparo in 2017
https://www.cars.com/articles/luxury...1420695984144/

I do not recall how many articles in Auto Motor und Sport, Car & Driver and other publications said that BMW lost the benchmark crown. Is gone. Many models failed to impress, from dynamics, to interior quality or performance. I wish I can still have all these magazines to show you, but if you have a collections please dig in the last few years and you will get your answer.

Never in the past BMW brought a new car with less HP (228HP) than previous model (241HP) and a worse platform - UKL with FWD. This while Mercedes has a 375HP, Volvo Polestar 362HP, Honda Civic 306HP, Audi TT 292HP, Jag F-type 296, etc. All 4 cylinder engines. So?
From my own personal point of view I can see that after so many BMW in my yard, the new ones are cheaper and not that great. My cheapest car in my life, never had a dead engine; not to mention at 80.000km. But BMW offered me this sad and costly experience.

I love BMW more than you think, yet, slowly I started to swallow the hard pill of "not so great anymore". I hope it will be better. Love the new 5 but is too big for me. If the new M3 will deliver a cleaner design, I might be interested.
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