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The sound of a turbocharged motor is largely created by its cylinder firing order, the design of its exhaust manifold and turbo configuration, and the design and layout of the exhaust system. The S55 was drastically different than N55 in these areas (among many others) and makes a very different sound. S55 also cuts torque during upshifts while trying to keep the turbos spinning and this causes its famous farting sounds on upshifts. I would bet S58 will end up similar in these areas to S55. I’m not happy about it, I LOVE the way my B58 sounds but would take the power and power delivery of the S55 over my B58’s great sound every day of the week. |
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12-10-2017, 02:16 AM | #134 |
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The reason why G30 is so boring/Close to F10, is likely to be the same reason why BMW are «lazy» with other stuff, rehashing engines and design. My take on this is the switch to EV and the amount of $$$ that every manufactor are spending to reach Tesla levels. The ice is done, diesel are not beeing developed further. The petrol ice is looking to be Close to it's end as well, why put alot of resources into it? Flamesuit on 😇
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It all depends if the S58 goes twin turbo...
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12-10-2017, 05:55 AM | #136 | |
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In which the parents are equally responsible. Was the M3 that spun off at the Ring the other week and had a run-in with the barrier anybody here's new ED? How does that work? Insurance wise?
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I’d be pretty shocked if they don’t. Now, if they were go the route Mercedes did with their new 3L M256 I6 and use a single exhaust powered turbo with an “electric turbo” then I suspect it would sound more like a single turbo engine. However, I don’t necessarily think they are there yet. On the other hand, it would be a great way to combat turbo lag. Mercedes is reportedly debuting the AMG version of this engine in Detroit next month, and rumor has it that it will hit 500hp. So they will be matching the S55’s highest power output without water injection. Plus, the engine is very compact for an I6 (no belts). I’m sure BMW will eventually build something like it, but perhaps not yet. |
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Is that a muffler or ballast to keep the rear tires from breaking loose based on the F80’s inability to efficiently put the power to the pavement?
The prototype’s muffler is comical. |
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12-10-2017, 08:17 AM | #140 |
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The grapevine suggests they used an Alfa Romeo muffler for that hack job. It is Ferrari engineered after all...
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Thank you chicken little ! You can take whatever suit you are wearing off for awhile Because BMW will be selling internal combustion engines for another couple of decades, Even with a deadline of 2040 in Europe. The US will be slower to transition and will have to be dragged forward into any change. People complain about stop start here. The US couldn't transition to obviously better quality HDTV without delay, the government mandated date kept getting pushed back ! |
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X15 X5 G30 5er G20 3er These all feel like re skins to me with the same, or minor tweaked ICE. I owned both the last 2 generations of X5 and it's the same car but with a quality refresh etc. Slow days the new car releases currently Where is the greater proliferation and fanfare of Carbon Core? Has it even been mentioned since the 7er? I was, and still am, genuinely excited but the benefits of weight loss but we hear nothing of this really. Maybe it's still too soon these generations.
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I’d have to dig up some old threads. At any rate, in North America, the initial model year run was markedly longer for F8x than the E9x (especially the E90). Another way to put it would be that Noth American availability came much closer to initial availability worldwide.
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It's going to have the same engine as the X3M, what's there to get hyped about??? Until they bring back bespoke engines and/or literally anything "special" at all, then PASS!
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Well that was almost hinted at when the rumor was to call coupes the 4 series and M4 some 4 or 5 years ago. It sounded like they plan to separate out these cars over time. The name was first. Maybe front ends will be next. Then who knows how far they split the 3/4 apart
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Agreed. Not much, to be honest.
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Additionally, the vast network of gas stations has also taken a very long time to get built up - until there’s an alternative fuel choice that allows for the same sort of freedom of movement, you aren’t going to see widespread adoption here. We don’t have the public transportation options you see in Europe, and no one I know is riding a bicycle to work in Dallas. PS - to put it in perspective, the US is roughly the same population as most of Europe put together. So when Norway says no ICE by whenever, it’s roughly the same thing as Minnesota or Indiana saying the same thing. That’s not a criticism, just an attempt at perspective. I would also maintain that there are more Americans than Indians or Chinese folks who can afford a car...so while the symbolic gesture of some of these countries is very encouraging to the environmental cause, it’s not as impactful as if the US would take a similar position. And I really do think many in the US would be interested in more environmentally friendly approaches...just not at the expense of the freedom of movement to which we’ve become accustomed. Last edited by dmboone25; 12-10-2017 at 06:17 PM.. |
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You feel BMW still has the same excitement behind the ///M brand as it once did?
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And let me tell you about the sales numbers of the BMW minivan, I mean 2 series whatever it’s called. Or BMW i3 ...wait, nevermind about that.
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BMW has lost its way. Sometimes economics force our hand but with so many new models and variants now available, I do not see the need to take the ///M brand and make them parts bin vehicles. One thing I always disliked about MB was they used the same AMG engine on nearly all cars from a C to an S, same wheels, same exhaust look, it was very cookie cutter. The M brand on the other hand, stood on its own and always had something special about it. I don't have so much beef with the M5. I think it looks great, sounds great, beautiful engine and power curve and the new M-Drive AWD will transform that car. The new 8 looks incredible too and can't wait for the M8 version to be released. The new X5 looks very promising as well, although I do not like the fact you need a $15K premium on the X3 and new X4 in order to get a 6-cyl engine, so we are looking at other options for the wife's SUV. But the M3 I feel has gotten the worse of it. Why not introduce a powerful, exclusive, great sounding 3.2L TT V6 for your best selling M platform?
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