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It's also going to be FWD next gen, except the M240i up. So lmao. Fun while it lasted |
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The F30 (even the 2018) has dull, overboosted (and artificially heavy) steering in whichever mode you put it in. Not sure how you feel the F30 is light years ahead - a car without a soul, and widely accepted to the the car that took BMW furthest away from its 'ultimate driving machine' status...as can be seen accepted by BMW corporation also (all this story about how we are going back to our roots etc... - because with the F30, they went furthest away). |
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10-10-2018, 02:41 PM | #99 | |
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I imagine most of us know the more attention given to those sort of details, the tuning out of the 'negatives' in of NVH, we move away from the raw cars of yesteryear. Cars become more sterile to drive. My current Five doesn't feel as fast as my last Three, often surprised by the turn of speed and capability through the twisties in the F11, but no drama like the E91. The built in refinement prevents that engagement. Does it make it a deficient car to drive? Objectively no. Subjectively, when feelings are included, so personal. As to driving feel, we have a good example of this issue here in the UK with BMW vs. Jaguar models. Both the Jaguar competitors to the Five (XF) and Three (XE) are rated as a better drive, steering feel handling/comfort balance far better sorted. Why don't BMW drivers move across to Jaguar? Users are after the best 'package', an extra layer of steering feel and slightly better handling, a very small part of that equation. Just had an old UK motor magazine out, to look back at a group test including the BMW E46 saloon (sedan). For driving, an Alfa was rated the best driving car. But as we know the Alfa of the period was a user's nightmare, so not surprising the BMW rightly earned the best "allrounder". Yes, driving compromises, but best bet to own and drive. |
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10-10-2018, 02:50 PM | #101 | |
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Will pass judgement after I drive one. Re Jaguar - nah....not for some of us. I bleed Blue/White. |
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10-10-2018, 02:50 PM | #102 | |
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Coming from an E90 to F34, I must admit that the steering was definitely a letdown but it improved after installing the MPPK. I think chassis-wise for the new G20 based on BMW's statement that it is 25-30% more rigid and perfect 50/50 balance would indicate improvement over the F30. I'm hopeful though and I can't wait for the reviews ! |
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10-10-2018, 02:52 PM | #103 | |
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I go back to 1970, 2000 New Class sedan.... the first BMW I have personal experience of. I'm amused at some of the statements on here, heard it all before, over and over. BTW, the E9x models are only one 'snapshot' of modern BMW heritage, and they are not perfect by any means. Highly criticised cars, including by many long term BMW users. Most get over all the negativities and get into the latest models. |
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10-10-2018, 02:57 PM | #104 |
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Stiffness translates into ride comfort because you don't get secondary oscillations from the body flexing and amplifying the original imperfection in the road surface. Simply physics. With a better platform, the suspension can work better and in a more pure way. Common knowledge and has been forever. But stiffness comes at a cost in money and or in weight.
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10-10-2018, 02:58 PM | #105 | |
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its no surprise what yer describing theyve been doing it at the F30 level.. that is.. provide one performance variant of the model series then lobotomize the rest of the variants but slap the BMW shield and M logos on them all |
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10-10-2018, 02:59 PM | #106 |
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I don't know how this car drives but for me it is the most Un-BMW looking car they have ever made. It has so many styling cues taken from the Japanese and Korean it's not even funny. And they have committed the sacrilege of copying the competition intead of staying true to BMW's core design elements. One just needs to look at Porsche to see design heritage done right.
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10-10-2018, 03:00 PM | #107 | |
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The B58 engine is sublime. The 8AT is better than the DCT. The more I look at the Paris auto show photos/videos, the more F30 just looks outdated compared to G20 now. |
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you were generalizing because a 330i will not be near that as it shouldn't. however m340i, as another member mentioned, could easily be there if not more. m340i will at least be $60k+ like you mentioned and the new model/high demand point as well. crazy, but i guess that's the way things are going.
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