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Progress is a one way-street....sometimes it takes a step back, but to claim that the rush from driving comes from the fuel source means you are ignoring history. If you want a rush, go buy a '70 Chevelle 496. If you want to get to work in peace and quiet, and smoke a few fools along the way, go get yourself a P100. |
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Maybe not tomorrow, but in the next decade or so... the writing is on the 1/4 mile track. |
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What many e-car proponents often forget is that the mileage is dependent on load. The max range is significantly impacted during less than perfect weather, stop and go traffic, accessories on etc. As a commuting appliance, I think e-cars are great. I am not against it in this regards. Heck my garage is already equipped with a high Amp 220V outlet. So I know I can get a Model S fully charged in a few hours let alone overnight.
I live near the US border and we Vancourites love doing cross border shopping. However I would pause to consider the necessary risks in using an e-car with the border waits, during winter, traffic and of course enjoy the normal accessory uses afforded by an ICE car. Automotive performance has seen a significant democratization over the last few year. The performance gap has closed up. M3s and 911s are not a whole lot faster than modern top line Golfs and Civics. It's unheard of just years ago. So where does that leave the true car enthusiast? I don't think it's outright numbers thing. I believe it is in the way an automobile drives. The organic feel, sounds, reverberations, communication of car and driver that true enthusiasts value. Soul. My wife and I are currently looking at replacing our washer/dryer. The technology in these puppies are amazing. And the power efficiency is incredible. Quiet too. Kinda reminds me of something... |
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Interesting explanation as to why Tesla is so popular in NA. Everyone has a house, with a garage, probably heated, a power supply, and a bunch of other stuff like massive amounts of storage. Here's a street in a different place inhabited by Tesla's core market (wealthy, brand-conscious, potentially a bit eco) and a clue as to why Tesla isn't penetrating the market, for reasons that are not entirely its fault: |
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Interesting. 5 pages, and I didn't read anything from a Model 3, (not M3) owner. We took delivery of my wife's car in May, it is #20,xxx, and we have 6K+ miles on it. While it is primarily her car, I drive it regularly, and actually prefer it for running errands over my '16 340 with adaptable suspension, etc. etc.
I'm a major 'Car Guy' who has owned three BMWs which I have, and continue to love, but I don't bend my knee for any car brand. I don't 'track' my cars, but I do have 20 years of vintage racing behind me. (While the quality of the competition is not completely at a level 10, we do have plenty of very good, experienced drivers, and we really race - we just don't race to the level where we 'swap paint'. I have owned various sports cars over the years, and have a Porsche and a Ferrari in the garage for playing on the back roads. All of this is just so you have some idea of my experiences when I talk about the Model 3 and the 3 Series. OK, so with all that BS, what is the car like? It has never been to the service center, (only a few blocks from where we live). We have two close friends who have the car; one had a cracked rear widow, and one has a tall son who has problems getting comfortable in it. No other complaints from them. 310 range is BS - Did you ever get EPA mileage on your car? Without super careful measuring, we get about 90% of what the stated range is. And, for battery longevity, the consensus is that you should charge to only 80% of max, so we charge to about 250/260 range. If you're planning a long trip, it is easy to charge to 100%. The car has a timer that we set to charge at 11:30PM. (The charger was about $6-700 installed.) We live in a temperate climate, so I have no idea what high & low temps do to range. The two white cars sit side by side in the garage. Of course I had been reading about all the problems Tesla was having with build quality, gaps, etc. I got out a micrometer to measure. The gaps were "evenly even", and the same on both cars. Since my E92, I have always thought that BMW seats were the best in the industry. Tesla is very close. Of course, Tesla is 'pleather', not leather, and BMW is 'pebble', and doesn't feel like leather. I really dislike monotone, all black interiors, so that is a big visual negative for Tesla. It's obvious that their factory is just not able to give customers any variations here. (If you've been to the BMW or Mercedes or other good quality factories it is amazing to see different models and colors going down the line one after the other.) My Bimmer has HUD, and that would be appreciated on the Tesla with all the info on their Model 3 screen. Although, the info available on that screen is amazing, and they just moved the turn-by-turn written directions from the right side to the left-center. Also, I have found the ease of getting navigation requests to the car are roughly one million percent better on the Tesla. I know this is a BMW Forum, but the Tesla is a competitive car, and that is what this thread is about. FWIW, I sold the E92 to buy an AMG Merc. I sold it after one year in disgust to buy the 340. |
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Model X is like 150 grand, and X3 is x3 times cheaper? Its like I will mock you for having not bought the M140i. It like very ok we all dont spend a gazillion money on a car. X3 is not in a bracket of Model, X M50i or whatever their naming orders are, is.
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Because it is a golf cart...
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Not missing any of the 5 3-series I've owned in the last 10 years.
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I had a deposit for 1.5 years and then canceled as I learned more about design and assembly. Suggest looking at other BEV choices coming soon, such as BMW i4 or Polestar Model 2. Tesla designed an excellent powertrain with a disappointing car around it. After closely examining some showroom models, I was convinced they need a generation or two and some experienced engineers for Body in White, electronics, and seating to help with the replacement model.
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I returned the first one with 100% full refund including taxes and fees. There was a scratch and some panel issues, nothing that can't be fixed. Just make sure you get a good one. Most buyers don't care because they are upgrading from 2008 Subaru Outback or 2012 Honda Civic, but I am too critical couldn't stand looking at uneven panel gaps.
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Whoever says the Model 3 electronics are bad is out of their mind. BTW, this Tesla replaced a one of a kind F31 that I loved but could no longer drive after experiencing the Tesla's drivetrain and steering. Pretty much had to lie to all potential buyers (couldn't really tell them "I'm selling this amazing wagon because I f*cking hate driving it now.") Last edited by ynguldyn; 01-12-2019 at 05:49 PM.. |
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1) Not out of my mind at all. The design and release engineer of the electrical architecture who allowed rear doors to be inoperable from the inside post-crash with loss of power did not have "safety" on their mind...should have been fired immediately. Tesla's answer is for kids/rear seat people to crawl out to the front door openings. Imagine the possible scenarios and outcomes...
2) Tesla forum reports numerous electrical quality failings. Humorous among them is the non-rare inability to get the recharging cable to be released. Many others have been cited by unhappy new owners, some resulting in stranding. I was on that forum for over a year, with a wide range of significant problems resulting from poor design and assembly. 3) One small, but absurd example: I believe it's 3 or 4 levels in a screen menu just to open the glove box...not a deal-killer alone, but indication of poor design. 4) I believe part of the assessment of the body-in-white design was having been designed with all the sophistication of a 1990's Kia, or words to that effect. Far too many small panels with tolerance stack-up problems, versus fewer larger ones, as is common this century. One of the lead engineers apparently joined with no specific automotive experience. 5) I see frunk lids, doors, decklids not fitting. A-pillar weatherstripping contorted from body fit issues. 6) The hip-to-heel metric for the rear seat is so inadequate, many have reported feeling as if they are sitting with their knees under their chins.... ....and so on and so on....rookie errors. Overall, not a bad try for an amateur company, but I had expected more fundamental competence beyond the innovative powertrain. I was relieved to get my grand back, and place it on a 330i. Musk wouldn't take his excellent powertrain and work with an experienced source for design and assembly. Opportunities missed. In the past two years, he had the only game in town for such a premium positioned BEV. Automotive News reported last week 3000 cars in inventory...unsold. Price reduction of $2000. With BEVs about to launch from companies who know how to design and build cars, the real market competition is about to demonstrate Tesla weaknesses. I'm all for a BEV, but from a much more competent manufacturer. Those cars will also benefit from lower center of gravity from underbody battery, with handling advantages, and relieved of ICE motor in front, superior impact management. They will just be better designed and assembled for my $50 grand.
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A lot of misinformation and misrepresentation of the Model 3. Agree to disagree. Like I said, why would anyone complain Tesla spent too much money on the chassis resulting in the safest car available to purchase? Couple hundred pounds overweigh is no big deal imo. Car handles better than E90. You obviously are put off by Tesla somehow, and hoping someone else makes one soon. Problem is, no one else is building a competent EV from the ground up. Not anytime soon, and they will be positioned at a premium over the gas engine counter parts. Key point is "from ground up". Look at Mercedes EQC. I wouldn't count on G20 EV to compete, it never will measure up. Tesla have some of the finest engineers (as Sandy Munroe described them as Navy Seals of engineers).
I was that guy, who shrugged off any Tesla and expected BMW and Toyota to wipe out Tesla soon, until I did my homework and took a Model 3 out for a test drive. There is no comparison imo. Model 3 is not perfect for us either, but no car is. Anyone complains about Model 3 glove box open button obviously haven't spent anytime in it because there are plenty to complain about, but glove box is a big stretch. |
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