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It's not about marketing Ring times (the single dumbest performance criteria people pay attention to these days). It's not about gear change speed. Most of us who drive manual gearboxes are ok at driving manuals but we are always improving, always involved at becoming better drivers. So yes we will complain. The art of driving has taken a backseat to shitty bazillion speed ZF transmissions which capture 0 emotion. Replaced by toggling an iPad that's the main feature of the dashboard. By electronic steering racks that feel "artificially quick" but lacking any input or feedback. By electronic sensors that prevent neck and mind exercise by auto parking or driving. By the dumbification of driving that makes 90% of buyers say "cool!!" And 10% of us that cringe with horror. It's ok to complain when needed; it makes things happen.
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If you want your M3 to be focused on track and canyon performance, this Pure edition seems like an amazing fit and it's great that BMW may offer this package at a lower price, too. For me, I want my next M3 to have it all BUT I would probably want it with a manual transmission again. I haven't driven the F90 M5 with its new automatic which supposedly is different than the other automatics in the rest of BMW's line up so I'll reserve judgement for now. So far I've had 6 manual BMWs and 1 DCT and I would honestly be surprised if I was willing to give up the manual for my next car. |
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Or did you forget while typing out the usual mantra that exclusively MT purists are the driving gods and if you set foot in an AT you should shrivel up and disappear before the might of your highness? But yeah sure. Keep on complaining about wanting a pure MT car experience, while belittling your fellow enthusiasts to make you feel like you're more than them, all while in a thread about how BMW will provide a "pure" manual version of the upcoming M3 and M4. Just way to go to prove your point, Mr. Art of Driving. Keep on complaining when BMW seems to at least try to give you what you want, or show they care somewhat. That'll "make things happen". Or is that your problem? That all this is happening, so you'll have less of a chance putting yourself on a pedestal for driving a manual? Also I'm not sure whether you noticed, but all the MT driving-focused people uninterested in marketing numbers are complaining here because the MT version will probably be slightly down on power. And excuse me for also appreciating ATs for what they are and what they do. I'm currently driving a manual, and have only ever owned manuals so far, so I'm hoping you'll forgive me. Last edited by KTN; 01-20-2019 at 04:26 PM.. |
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
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Bunch of complainers. I'm sure the next M3 will be an amazing car just as every M3 before it has been.
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I'll go back to a M3/4 if they can make the separation from Comfort to Sport + as wide as humanly possible. To make up for the shorter wheelbase. |
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I truly wish they would put a manual across the entire line, but I'm happy that there will be a manual.
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That being said - I now have a combined 160,000 miles driving a DCT since 2008 including on track multiple times (E93 and two F80's). Even tonight I can't wait to drive my lowly DCT equipped F80 to work tomorrow. So yes - it is possible to be completely fulfilled as an enthusiast driving something that doesn't have a clutch pedal. For those of you who swear by manuals - enjoy! But also add me to the list of those who are sick of the holier-than-thou types who think you have to have a manual to be in love with driving your car... |
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1) Have a relationship with your dealer. I haven't "negotiated" a sales price in years. 2) Know the numbers A) Invoice on Base MSRP B) Invoice on Options C) Current Incentives 3) If you're buying a ~$90,000 car and an "extra" (which will only happen on a REALLY SHITTY BUILD someone backed out on) savings of $1,000-$2,000 on a "Lot" car sways you to buy a car that's not exactly as you want. You should immediately stab yourself in the eye with a fork. |
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The F90 is brutally fast...no doubt. It's amazing on track how quickly you adapt to its acceleration. The AWD system worked incredibly well putting down the power, especially the part about it not feeling like a ponderous/understeering Audi. It felt light on its feet to an extent somehow even given the mass it's carrying.
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Hmm. M range continues to get more and more complicated. M4 GC sounds appealing... One of the best F80's I have driven was one that literally had every option and a bunch of M Performance parts on it - truly a visceral experience. Sounds like that will be different later this year....
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Have a counter-opinion to the prevailing point of view after tracking the F90, C63 S. Found the latest autos to be totally sufficient. Double downshifts are the only circumstances in which the absence of DCT is really apparent. Shifts aren't as crisp as DCT or PDK, but that's not disruptive to the track experience, imo, i.e. you're not thinking about the shift times or gearbox behavior. (Lack of response to downshifts happens with DCT boxes sometimes too.) Couldn't agree more with your other M5 track observations. Bringing it back to the thread subject, a 550 bhp CSL with the M5's AWD system would be devastatingly fast. Convinced that M5 AWD fitted to my GTS would gain seconds/lap. It's that advantageous on corner exit, and doesn't hamper elsewhere. Not sure I'd want it though. Managing throttle and steering at corner exit is a fundamental rwd M3/M4 experience. AWD system simplifies corner exit immensely. Look way down the track, get the front tires pointed toward your target, and nail it. Could just select 2wd I suppose, but my sense and speculation is that M has deprioritized traction at the rear as compared to when it was the only drive option. The cars are engineered to go fast in AWD mode. 2wd has become hoon mode.
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