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Funny, no one seems to understand that AWD does nothing to help you stop more quickly.
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03-13-2019, 12:14 PM | #48 |
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No i own an M2C also.
I went from 1M Coupe to M2 to m2C Thats from fun 1M coupe to worse. M2C is also much to heavy at almost 1600kg. You feel the weight in the M2C also this car has grown to much in size and weight! Nice for daily drive but for track and attack corners it s way to heavy. If i could buy the 1m coupe new that would be my choice! |
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03-13-2019, 12:18 PM | #49 | |
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But we aren't at that magic number for the G80/82. There's at least an argument that BMW is being lazy here...instead of giving the car enough tire width and developing the chassis to effectively handle 500 BHP and RWD, they're slapping AWD on it and calling it a day. again, just an alternative viewpoint.
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So, my final statement on the transmission. I dont let the car select my radio station or the volume. I dont let the car select the temperature or the window status. I dont let the car select my seat position or height. And i never want the car to steer, brake, or accelerate for me. So, why, in the hell, would I let the car pick the gears for me? Why buy a sports car if it is going to self drive?
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"Now, if you want to complain about something: Lack of ventilated seats. When tracking my car the windows MUST be rolled down, and it's hot outside. I'd like my bootay to not be hot. Vent my BOOTAY "
You just need a cool shirt system! That is what I use when I track my M3. Cooler sits nicely bolted down in the back seat floor. Put on under your fire suit and your good to go! |
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03-13-2019, 12:41 PM | #52 |
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I hate to admit it, but the AWD does come down to practicality I think. BMW can't have a bunch of average badge buyers out there in 500+ hp RWD cars spinning tires like total idiots. For one, they'll look like fools. More importantly, they'll bitch about how the car is twitchy, rough and slides around.
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+1 There is no learning curve on weight and size, that is a shame IMHO. Driving Dynamics is key, lower the weight, you don`t need big HP numbers, it wil make driving more alive and kicking. The smaller / lighter / agiler the car, the better. Used to own many M3`s, I know better now! The smallest ///M is the nicest one, not necessarily the fastest, but most fun anyway. |
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03-13-2019, 01:48 PM | #56 |
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Really? Per this link, it's a 25 lb difference from M2 comp to 2019 M4 - manual for both. 30 for auto
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1520635
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03-13-2019, 01:59 PM | #57 |
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^In this case it`s not the weight that makes the difference, but the wheelbase is.
I`ve driven them both, extensively, the M2 is by far the more nimble and agile car, quicker steering reactions. That`s how I want my BMW`s. |
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+1. The M4 feels massive compared to the M2. Shorter wheelbase makes a bigger difference than you’d expect.
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03-13-2019, 02:20 PM | #61 | |
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I consider myself a die-hard manual fan and do not like seeing it discontinued in the 3 series and only available in the M3 Pure. YMMV, but owning a manual and driving in heavy traffic has never been a problem for me, only once on a hill in San Francisco moving a couple inches at a time for over an hour did I ever consider not having a 6MT. |
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I am pretty sure that V10 had 520 NM of torque...certainly not characteristic of a FI motor, but not a dog either.
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So it sounds like maybe a manual in a CS version of the car?! So I have to spend around 100k for an M3 just to have a manual?!
Sucks that numbers wars govern so much of what happens with these performance cars, my e90/991 combo is looking better and better to me... |
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I love my F80 but its got some serious traction issues. Its about the worst car I've ever driven at putting its power to the ground. Not even sure people realize how intrusive the traction control is on these cars to keep them aimed the right direction. I've heard the euro mdm coding helps but even in MDM its a struggle.
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