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      10-23-2019, 12:18 PM   #1
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M340i vs G70 3.3T Sport Comparo. Hits 3.8s 0-60 in Instrumented Test

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For those that have been waiting, Car and Driver has gotten their hands on a M340i and compared it to the G70.


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Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-genesis-g70/

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Highs: Big Power from a silken inline-6, big grip, big back seat, and trunk.
Lows: Big price, stiff ride, steering still a bit too numb for our liking.

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Highs: Strong performer, impressive ride and handling balance, undeniable value.
Lows: Not as quick in a straight line, tight back seat.

In the end, C/D does acknowledge that the M340i is a better driver's car due to its more refined and faster powertrain, and overall nicer and larger interior, but states that may not be enough to overcome the Genesis great pricing, and that overall, the Genesis isn't far behind the 3-Series, being able to do many things just as well or even better than the 3er.


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For those that have been waiting, Car and Driver has gotten their hands on a M340i and compared it to the G70.

BMW
Highs: Big Power from a silken inline-6, big grip, big back seat, and trunk.
Lows: Big price, stiff ride, steering still a bit too numb for our liking.

Genesis
Highs: Strong performer, impressive ride and handling balance, undeniable value.
Lows: Not as quick in a straight line, tight back seat.

In the end, C/D does acknowledge that the M340i is a better driver's car due to its more refined and faster powertrain, and overall nicer and larger interior, but states that may not be enough to overcome the Genesis great pricing, and that overall, the Genesis isn't far behind the 3-Series, being able to do many things just as well or even better than the 3er.

Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-genesis-g70/
They got the rear wheel drive to do 3.8 to 60. Wonder what an Xdrive would do??
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For those that have been waiting, Car and Driver has gotten their hands on a M340i and compared it to the G70.

BMW
Highs: Big Power from a silken inline-6, big grip, big back seat, and trunk.
Lows: Big price, stiff ride, steering still a bit too numb for our liking.

Genesis
Highs: Strong performer, impressive ride and handling balance, undeniable value.
Lows: Not as quick in a straight line, tight back seat.

In the end, C/D does acknowledge that the M340i is a better driver's car due to its more refined and faster powertrain, and overall nicer and larger interior, but states that may not be enough to overcome the Genesis great pricing, and that overall, the Genesis isn't far behind the 3-Series, being able to do many things just as well or even better than the 3er.

Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-genesis-g70/
They got the rear wheel drive to do 3.8 to 60. Wonder what an Xdrive would do??
C and D times are always optimistic. They must be driving downhill to achieve those times.
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Strong showing by the Bimmer. My impressions of the car are very similar. But personally it's steering is a deal breaker for me.
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I think their conclusion rather misses the point. The review makes it clear that M340 is the better car in most aspects that people care about, including practicality. With that as a baseline, I think the price difference is not as relevant as they make it out to be. I think for most people, if you can afford the better car, you buy the better car. You don't sit down and think "is that car worth $12k more than the other one"! After all, there is no way you could say a Ferrari is $150k better than an M3, but if someone can afford the Ferrari, 9 times out of 10 they will buy it.
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Instead of focusing on Merc, Genesis is probably the only brand BMW should be keeping their eye on. They have to do a lot of "making a name for themselves" but once that happens I think the G70 cause be a true competitor dynamics wise to BMW
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Instead of focusing on Merc, Genesis is probably the only brand BMW should be keeping their eye on. They have to do a lot of "making a name for themselves" but once that happens I think the G70 cause be a true competitor dynamics wise to BMW
Its probably thanks to former M-division head Albert Biernman heading R&D over at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. I believe he's responsible for the G70, Stinger, and Volester N

Honestly I think Merc has already beaten BMW in certain models, mainly the C,E,S in their higher trims (full AMG and AMG-light), but BMW is ahead in SUVs in my opinion.
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Instead of focusing on Merc, Genesis is probably the only brand BMW should be keeping their eye on. They have to do a lot of "making a name for themselves" but once that happens I think the G70 cause be a true competitor dynamics wise to BMW
Its probably thanks to former M-division head Albert Biernman heading R&D over at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. I believe he's responsible for the G70, Stinger, and Volester N
Definitely commend him for the work he's done because I've definitely been researching more into the G70. Also they know how to make the big grills work on their model which is a plus.

Definitely agree on the sedan part of Merc on making the better luxury sports sedan. They have mastered the balance that BMW seems to always grant more luxury than sport or vice versa with their sedans.
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I would bet my life on the fact that anyone who bought that car instead of BMW did that because of the price difference. I don't care how you're gonna hide it
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I think their conclusion rather misses the point. The review makes it clear that M340 is the better car in most aspects that people care about, including practicality. With that as a baseline, I think the price difference is not as relevant as they make it out to be. I think for most people, if you can afford the better car, you buy the better car. You don't sit down and think "is that car worth $12k more than the other one"! After all, there is no way you could say a Ferrari is $150k better than an M3, but if someone can afford the Ferrari, 9 times out of 10 they will buy it.
Yeah all these reviewers obsess over the MSRP. What ultimately matters are leases as that's how the bulk of these cars are sold.
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Its probably thanks to former M-division head Albert Biernman heading R&D over at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. I believe he's responsible for the G70, Stinger, and Volester N

Honestly I think Merc has already beaten BMW in certain models, mainly the C,E,S in their higher trims (full AMG and AMG-light), but BMW is ahead in SUVs in my opinion.
I think BMW has Merc beaten with the compact and mid-size category. S-class definitely trounces on the 7er.

Merc interiors are very clearly a notch below BMW, besides the S-class.
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Another dumb review from C&D. Not everybody buys on price. How is that hard to comprehend. Genesis is inferior, tranny is slow, back seat for a sedan is nonexistent. This is analogous to compacting a shitty men's warehouse suit for few hundred versus a Corneliani suit and then arguing their value. These products caters to a different clientele.

I test drove the genesis 3.3T and was willing to even consider the G20 330i M Sport then. Now I have the M340i, there's no contest. Non of these cars are clear winners in all categories but the bimmer is the top performer. It may not sound as good or shift as aggressive as the C43 but it still kills it in acceleration and that is quite remarkable.
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Its probably thanks to former M-division head Albert Biernman heading R&D over at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. I believe he's responsible for the G70, Stinger, and Volester N

Honestly I think Merc has already beaten BMW in certain models, mainly the C,E,S in their higher trims (full AMG and AMG-light), but BMW is ahead in SUVs in my opinion.
I think BMW has Merc beaten with the compact and mid-size category. S-class definitely trounces on the 7er.

Merc interiors are very clearly a notch below BMW, besides the S-class.
The M340i vs C43 i will say is pretty much up to preference as both are very close, but for the mid-size class, drive an M550 and then an E/CLS 53 and its almost as if the two are in a role reversal from what they use to be back in the E39/60 and W210/211 generations (late 90's-Mid 2000's), where the 5er was the driver's choice, and the E-Class was the stereotypical retirees' car.

The BMW is faster and has a nice and smooth V8 powertrain, but its handling is lazy and dull, not anywhere close to how a BMW should handle regardless of series. The E/CLS 53 is much more alive, agile feeling and engaging. Even the steering, while still not being as communicative as past cars is a bit more confidence inspiring despite its lighter weight than the BMW's numb and synthetically heavy rack in the G30.

For Interior materials, the BMW does have the upper-hand, but I wouldn't say the Merc's interior materials are deal-breakers, and the designs are a bit more modern (but then again interior design is subjective)
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I enjoyed driving the G70 during a test drive and I think it's a very good car. My issues with it is the interior (subjective), poor fuel economy and small rear space. I don't find my M340 to be stiff at all, but I have the adaptive suspension so that might help. Nowhere near as stiff as the C43 AMG. Anyway, both cars are nice and you can't go wrong with either, but I couldn't wish for more with the M340. Seeing the new M3 front fascia, I won't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon, lol.
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Another dumb review from C&D. Not everybody buys on price. How is that hard to comprehend. Genesis is inferior, tranny is slow, back seat for a sedan is nonexistent. This is analogous to compacting a shitty men's warehouse suit for few hundred versus a Corneliani suit and then arguing their value. These products caters to a different clientele.

I test drove the genesis 3.3T and was willing to even consider the G20 330i M Sport then. Now I have the M340i, there's no contest. Non of these cars are clear winners in all categories but the bimmer is the top performer. It may not sound as good or shift as aggressive as the C43 but it still kills it in acceleration and that is quite remarkable.

I agree. I did not even consider the Hyundai. Call me a badge snob, but I am not driving a Kia or a Genesis, no matter how good they are.

You might as well do a proper comparison with an S4, C43, XE, etc...which is what most around here would be cross shopping.

All the strong points are...strong. The car is excellent. Personally, the Genesis competes with the Passat, Accord, Camry and is a notch above those...fine. That is where those buyers want something a little more, but not the premium group of cars.

And that is a lot of money for Hyundai. Period.
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The stiffness bit is complete bs.I wish it was stiff.
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Now this is what I am talking about! To sum up the article: The M340i is a much better car, they just don't like the price gap. I cross shopped these two cars, the Genesis was nice, but the BMW was "wow".
It is up to the individual buyer to decide if they want to pay for the "wow".
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Amazing that they got 3.8 seconds 0-60 out of the RWD model. When I test drive the M340 (x-drive) I knew it was faster than my M3 off the line. There was no way I could launch like that without spinning in place. It loses a little on the top end but between straight line speed and .96g, that is very impressive. My only real gripe with the M340 was that it seemed a bit large inside but not in a good way and compared to my M3 didn't seem aggressive enough. But seeing how ugly the front of the M3 version is now, this M340 is the car to buy.
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About GD time we got an instrumented test! I see a pattern with the limited reviews we have of the G80... It's great at a lot of things and generally better than the competition, but not clearly the better car. Or that it slots in between complaints of cars that are too sporty or too soft and so isn't as good as the too sporty or too soft.
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