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As someone who has had direct experience in comparing the G70 and 3-Series (as well as to the Giulia and C43 in another thread I posted), I am free to post my opinions of the G70, and thought that they would be interesting/contributing to the conversation. My opinion of the car is positive, which even though it may upset you, that I think that Genesis may have made a great 3-Series competitor, I don't see why you have to get upset by it. Yes I am happy with my vehicles, but I can talk about the G70 all I want. It is just a single opinion of a single poster. I am not forcing you to buy a Genesis, all I am saying is that they've made a good product, that it is similar to the first IS and older G35/37 which would be considered "disrupters" when they first came into the market, which was mainly dominated by the Germans. There is always an unsubscribe button, and you have the choice of not reading through the thread, if don't like the discussion of Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis. Also no offense, but its the car market, brands are allowed to diverge into other segments if they please, Hyundai is just following in similar footsteps of what Toyota, Honda, VW and Acura did years ago |
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I was just curious why you were so interested in Kia since you've posted about it a lot previously. That's all.
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I find the Genesis (not Kia, even if they are under the same parent group) interesting vehicle as its a vehicle that I particularly enjoyed in my drive, and also the beginning of Albert Biernman's work of vehicles in Genesis since he left BMW, and I'm curious to see what he does next - maybe a high performance G70? I'm more interested in why people are so stuck up on not giving this vehicle a chance, and why they act like its the end of the world, especially when I know a good portion of people who have posted negatively about it haven't driven it. The past is the past, and things have changed greatly since Hyundai's beginnings. Is it better than a G20, no, but it is 90% there in the driving experience, while still offering great value (which some buyers do care about) and most likely good reliability. Are there problems/negatives? Yes, dealers, the transmission and engine are good but not as good as the BMW or Mercedes (Audi, Lexus, and Infiniti's latest offerings are honestly worse), and brand image. The valet program solves the first issue, and ignore the lack of "prestige" the badge has and you can enjoy a good car. |
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50K for BMW all day long, 50K for Genesis - no way. Sorry just like I wouldn't pay for MIC shoes the same money as Alden's just like I wouldn't pay Blancapain's money for Invicta, and so on on and so forth. Good try, it may drive better, it may fly like a freaking flying saucer. I'm not paying BMW money for a Kia. That's just it for me. In my own personal opinion. No hard feelings to each is own, YMMV, etc etc. Call it a brand whore, brand snob, whatever. Not happening. If they made this in the Camry Accord price range I'd be the first screaming attaboy Kia.
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I think there are a lot of car enthusiasts who are excited for good new cars. They don't care about brand allegiances or status symbols or showing off. They just like cars and they get excited when exciting new cars are made. At the very least, if a company like Genesis makes a competitive car, that will make the Germans do better. Remember the Lexus LS and Infiniti G35? They made the Germans do better. That's a good thing for brand loyalists and more general enthusiasts alike.
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If you are going to say $50,000 BMW, then you need to say $$38,000 G70. I have not looked it up, but I'm pretty sure that's about the price point for a G70 comparable to a 3 series. Being totally honest, if the G70 came from a brand....virtually any brand other than Hyundai, it's the car we all would be buying. The real truth is that most car enthusiasts are also car snobs. I'm not a snob otherwise, but I can dam sure admit I'm a bit of a car snob.
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Ok, 60K for BMW no problem, 38K for a Kia I'll take a Camry v6 XLE
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This thread has run its course, who knew so many members here are Genesis fanboys. You will never see this on the Genesis forums, they're busy talking about their cars and figuring out the tranny issues they and MT's longterm tester are having. Genesis buyers aren't interested in the Bimmer and vice versa. So there's no need to continuously extol the 3.3T values here. We know what the car is and those who didn't found out from this thread.
Some of us have even driven the 3.3T already and still chose the M340i so it's pointless trying to dissuade us as to why the Genesis might have been a better fit.
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And if you look for something dressy (less chunky), check out Yeossal's house brand (also MIC, though I suppose its own top of the line is Antonio Meccarillo which IMO is just as good if not better than Edward Green/Gaziano Girling), handwelt, hand last, tight waist |
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Haha, really bud, as good as EG and G&G, never heard of them. I know good dress shoes that are not pricey is usually something from Spain or even Portugal ala Carlos Santos or Carmina. Usually anything cheaper is garbage and not endorsed by us over at SF.
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Oh and if you're on SF check out Yeossal's thread price wise the Yeossal's MIC house brand is more expensive than Carmina mainline..., haven't bought CJ in a long time, though if you could get CJ UK pricing, it's probably priced somewhere between CJ mainline and Handgrade. Only handwelt comparison in that range ish is Enzo Bonafre (sp?) and Vass. If you ask me EB skimp on leather (how they can do HW at that price range) while Vass has more of a chunkier stitching (stitch per inch wise). |
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Even the base Genesis 2.0 would be a lot ahead of them in terms of handling and pretty much even on acceleration. 3.3T? It blows past them by far. 38K would enable you to get an base 3.3t Genesis. (or Stinger GT for that matter) and as a Stinger GT2 owner... I could tell you how good this car is. At the time that the G70 was going on sale, it was the F30 3 series for the BMW. G70 would be on top vs those models, which is an amazing feat by Hyundai. Got to give them the credit on that. CANNOT compare a camry against a Genesis, which is even sharper than the Stinger on the road. It is that good. G70 comes pretty close the the current G20 3 series. For the money, Genesis DOES make the argument of M340i vs G70. Its a 90% of the car for about 12-15K less |
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Also, anyone who compares a Camry to any car in this segment is just talking trash. Either that or they've never driven a Camry or a car in this segment. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the Camry. It's excellent at what it's meant to be, but it's not designed for car enthusiasts. |
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Not paying 38k or whatever that genesis costs. And come on guys let's not go down the enthusiast lane BMW only makes 3 enthusiast cars M2/M3/M4
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The 3er will always be an enthusiast car, Genesis is nowhere near that realm and likely never will. There' s so much aftermarket support, car clubs etc for these cars. The 3er is more of an enthusiast car than all it's direct competitors, that's a fact.
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340 with a newly baked M badge in front of it and Automatic only is not an enthusiast car but more of a main stream sedan. C43 AMG, S5 are not popular on the street because they're too expensive and especially too expensive for a C class and A4 with 2 doors class. Not because they're for enthusiasts. I would argue g70 with 6MT is made purely for the enthusiasts. However I don't want a Kia that's all.
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I disagree manual tranny is not a prerequisite. Besides soon you won't get manuals on M cars too. Nowhere is an enthusiast car defined as cars that only has manual transmission. Now if for you that's how you see it, that's a personal perspective. I believe there's a corolla that can still be had with manual today yet nobody would consider a Corolla an enthusiast car. C43 is same price point as M340i so that explanation is nonsense as well.
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