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Given your post count you are no novice (I am) what is the whole story? I was ready to sign but what's the deal - thanks for your share
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12-28-2019, 03:48 PM | #26 | |
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12-28-2019, 04:32 PM | #27 |
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Not to get all political nor to dive deep into the astrophysics of changes occurring to our solar system/climate change, but if anyone believes human pollution or cow farts are a significant contributor to climate change, please look further into the matter
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12-28-2019, 04:49 PM | #28 |
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No need to get political. Or even talk about astrophysics (human pollution and climate change have virtually nothing to do with physics regarding distant stars). You could start by picking up a book at your local library. Or taking an intro to environmental sciences course at your local community college.
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12-28-2019, 05:01 PM | #30 |
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Yeah. I’ll most likely sign it. I dunno, I do actually own a street car converted for track use. The whole thing was done on an extremely tight budget (less than 5k including the price of the car, but not including labor.) honestly, my friends and I run it in 1-3 endurance races a year. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal to run without cats for a grand total of probably fewer than 40 hours a year. Racing doesn’t need to be prohibitively expensive and I’d like to keep it that way.
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12-28-2019, 05:22 PM | #32 |
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Why is the law needed? We have laws against modifying emissions equipment on street driven automobiles and people just circumvent those laws. So what if there's a similar law for race cars or will those laws be strictly enforced by race track owners precluding cars with modified emissions from racing?
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These companies tried to using a customer waiver to skirt the law and protect themselves. Large fines were handed out and the market (diesel especially) for emissions deletes evaporated.
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There never was an exception for "on-road" vehicles being converted into/used for "off-road" but the EPA never enforced it. Allowing an exemption for "on-road" would kneecap the CAA unless, IMO, the vehicle was re-registered as "off road".
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Back story: Evans Tuning gets fined by the EPA for over 100 violations of the Clean Air Act (CAA): https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...stuningllc.pdf EPA sues Derive: https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa...defeat-devices The title of the act is VERY misleading. Similar to the “Save Our Tips” Act which was sponsored by restaurant owners in an attempt to keep waitstaff wages below the federal minimum wage limit, the RPM Act is a deliberate attempt to insulate manufacturers and vendors of non-compliant emissions equipment (i.e. exhausts, catless downpipes, intakes, etc) in their efforts to circumvent the requirements of the Clean Air Act. This Act is sponsored by 21 Republicans and 7 Democrats, and went before the Senate back in October. Read the proposed language and list of sponsors here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/2602/text Quote:
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Vehicle registration is a funny thing, since it’s generally a state responsibility. Manufacturers are required to certify their vehicles as compliant when they offer them for sale, and the bill would prevent any association of federal vehicle records and aftermarket modifications with the existing database. This provision prevents the EPA from compelling aftermarket parts manufacturers or installers to maintain any kind of records about what parts went on what car, so when the EPA delivers a subpoena, manufacturers, sellers, and installers can argue they aren’t required to record the specifics of each item they sell. They could simply say "we're not required to track that information beyond what our tax laws mandate" and their sales records could simply say "sold 100 widgets". The second portion then circumvents California’s ARB part registration laws by saying parts are not required to be “registered” by anyone in the supply chain from manufacturer to end user. This could have the effect of neutering California’s laws, since a primary method of ensuring compliance is testing and certifying the parts, then assigning a tracking number. But, we’re talking about cars only used on the racetrack, right? Nope, because the RPM Act deliberately blurs those lines as well. Quote:
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The EPA's settlement with Evans Tuning states, "The EPA's longstanding view is that conduct that may be prohibited by§ 203(a)(3) does not warrant enforcement if the person performing that conduct has a documented, reasonable basis for knowing that the conduct does not adversely affect emissions. See Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum IA (June 25, 1974)." This bill is written specifically to prevent the EPA from enforcing the CAA with their current methods. So, if the bill passes and the EPA can’t come after the manufacturers of such devices, they will have no one left to pursue except the end user, because the bill doesn’t insulate the people driving the car on the street. Last edited by FlyingLow78; 12-28-2019 at 11:52 PM.. |
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I see some have taken this thread on different tangents about gun ownership, NRA and dick sizes... common on folks, let's not ruin a good forum trading insults over the internet... It just makes ya look bad. If ya want to duke it out, meet up, grab some gloves and the first one down loses.
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12-28-2019, 11:48 PM | #43 |
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As it should be - companies should be able to manufacturer performance parts for off-road or race use. If someone decides to knowingly use those parts, deleting their cats for example, it’s on the end user because they’re the ones who chose to violate the state or federal ordinances by using their vehicle with those modifications on the street.
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12-28-2019, 11:57 PM | #44 |
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So just slap a clause in there with any car registered as "off road" not being assigned a physical plate and will be impounded immediately with additional fines incurred upon infraction. Make tuners who sell &/or install "off-road" parts send in a form to DMV. Keeps them clean and clear and free to do business with actual race cars & their owners...
I am all for tuning cars and being an enthusiast, but it can be done in a way that maintains compliance for street use. Lets keep the race cars for sure! On the track. It's better, and safer for all of us. Once that road car is "turned into a race car" it really shouldn't then be driven on the road, right? Because then it's a "road car"... We have too many unskilled drivers already thinking they drive race cars, don't really more. |
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