[mirob]

Originally Posted by Audio Fan

And 7 and X7

...and the new X5/6.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by mirob

...and the new X5/6.

They are not that bad

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by J-RO

They are not that bad

Agreed, the 7 and X7 reference was with regard to wishing people would stop the constant beating on large grills.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by J-RO

They are not that bad

They aren't. Yet people still bitch about it. Clearly it's a matter of opinion so we shouldn't be at each others throats about it.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by chenry

anyone know what blue this is?

Arctic Race Blue

[chenry]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Arctic Race Blue

thank you!

[IM2C]

I think it will NOT grow on me.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Arctic Race Blue

Color looks a lot better on this car.

[TodmordenLad]

The thing is, a large grill, or large grilles, can look great on a car. Take the new Jag F-type, for example. See below. Gorgeous.
The issue with the BMW design in question is not the unsightly grille, per se - it's the whole front end which doesn't work, period. A poor design overall, imo.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

The thing is, a large grill, or large grilles, can look great on a car. Take the new Jag F-type, for example. Gorgeous.
The issue with the BMW design in question is not the unsightly grille, per se - it's the whole front end which doesn't work, period. A poor design overall, imo.

I think the difference between BMW and all other manufacturers is that BMW's use of a grille is also a brand identifier - almost like a logo where as every other brand, a grille is just a grille. Even if you were to take the kidney grille design you thought was best, while not terrible, BMWs front ends are never really cohesive vs "generic grilles".

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

I think the difference between BMW and all other manufacturers is that BMW's use of a grille is also a brand identifier - almost like a logo where as every other brand, a grille is just a grille. Even if you were to take the kidney grille design you thought was best, while not terrible, BMWs front ends are never really cohesive vs "generic grilles".

That's a fair point.
So when you mess with a core brand design identifier, you do so at your peril.
As I posted earlier, I parked near a 7 series LCI the other day, and the front end looked plain ridiculous to my eyes, for want of a better expression.

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by thekidd

Based on these new pics I'm going to go against the wave and hope for the best! I'm starting to think the new M's will look good or at least will grow on me. At first I didn't care for the F's as a successor to the E's but now there is an F80 collecting dust in my garage because I'm told not to go anywhere.

Driving around will not give you bloody corona-virus, okay? Drive around, enjoy life however you can. Don't be reckless, and stay healthy.

[xlover]

I think one of the most interesting things about the grills is in profile they have a pronounced curvature, raked at the top and curved downward from the upper middle area to the bottom, definite shark nose look. That will definitely affect the perspective in person, in a way that is difficult to capture in photographs

[Staszek]

I want to see it in person, but honestly I dont mind it.

I havent seen the new grill on the 7 in person yet, my 7 was the last of the old grill and its fine.

I have seen and driven the new X7 a bunch with the new grill and on that SUV it works really well.

What I guess I dont understand is the 850 looks fantastic, did they not want to make it look too close to that?

[Gorkyg]

Originally Posted by Staszek

I want to see it in person, but honestly I dont mind it.

I havent seen the new grill on the 7 in person yet, my 7 was the last of the old grill and its fine.

I have seen and driven the new X7 a bunch with the new grill and on that SUV it works really well.

What I guess I dont understand is the 850 looks fantastic, did they not want to make it look too close to that?

I generally like the more aggressive larger grills. The new X5 looks spectacular. The X7 is slightly too large but I like how it looks different than X5 as it is a larger SUV.

The 7 series though looks awful. There is one where I live, and I see it every day. I can't get used to it. It just looks cheap. Almost looks like it was released at the design/prototype stage. I have been seeing it for the last 2 months every day, and I still don't like it.

I actually prefer the 4 series new grill better lol. As long as there is no license plate in the front, 4 looks kind of cool. It is growing on me

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by Frosty

[COLOR="Green"]"...States Without A Front Plate Law
Every state requires at least a rear license plate, but as previously mentioned, there are 19 states that do not require a front plate. These states are:

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
New Mexico
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia.... "[/COLOR]

So more than half the country in one of BMW's biggest markets requires a front plate.. any idea how many European countries? Seems like these designs that don't account for it are alienating the majority.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

The thing is, a large grill, or large grilles, can look great on a car. Take the new Jag F-type, for example. See below. Gorgeous.
The issue with the BMW design in question is not the unsightly grille, per se - it's the whole front end which doesn't work, period. A poor design overall, imo.

I prefer the previous F-Type. It looks far more like a sports car and has a sportier aesthetic than the new model. Which looks like a sedan for the purpose of being uniform with the rest of the brand.
You won't get this with THE 4.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I prefer the previous F-Type. It looks far more like a sports car and has a sportier aesthetic than the new model. Which looks like a sedan for the purpose of being uniform with the rest of the brand.
You won't get this with THE 4.

We are calling it THE 4 now?

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I prefer the previous F-Type. It looks far more like a sports car and has a sportier aesthetic than the new model. Which looks like a sedan for the purpose of being uniform with the rest of the brand.
You won't get this with THE 4.

More's the pity they haven't adopted Jag's approach.
If BMW had a sensibly sized grille/grilles which were proportionate, discrete and uniform across models, we probably wouldn't be in this disappointing design phase.
I've had five BMWs in a row but will be holding back from any new purchase until they've rediscovered their design prowess - which hopefully will only be one series away?

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by chrisny

So more than half the country in one of BMW's biggest markets requires a front plate.. any idea how many European countries? Seems like these designs that don't account for it are alienating the majority.

Eh, they require a front plate in IL, and as you can tell from my sig I dont use them

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by Staszek

Eh, they require a front plate in IL, and as you can tell from my sig I dont use them

Plenty of enthusiasts ignore the law sure, but the vast majority of the population use a plate where it's required.

[SabineBimmer]

Originally Posted by J-RO

We are calling it THE 4 now?

lol