[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Yes, and I might do the same with the G80.

Get it new and get rid of it once the bro generation starts liking this cars. The cheapest F8x are below 30K, the community changed dramatically.

I could give 2 or 3 $hits what bro generation has these cars, if I like it I'm driving it.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not quite. There were days where it was the average Joes buying the base non-M models that financed the niche M models produced in rather low volumes. Now BMW has more variants carrying the M badge than without

SE is the new M exclusive.

You heard it here first, chrome up ladies and gents

[petrolhead.]

I don't understand why they are talking about the front axle so much. That's something that could be rectified with camber plates and proper tires on the F80.

My priorities with the G80 would have been:
1. more mechanical grip for the rear axle
2. less total weight of the car (improves dynamics)
3. better / longer lasting brakes on the front (cooling?) without the need to resort to carbon ceramics

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I could give 2 or 3 $hits what bro generation has these cars, if I like it I'm driving it.

That's just me, my personal preference.

I'm not complaining at all, but for my part once people starting putting cheap aftermarket parts on their cars it's time for me to get something else.

Nothing against high quality customizing tho.

But we going off topic...

As for my part, I probably will get the G80 once it will be available.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by petrolhead.

I don't understand why they are talking about the front axle so much. That's something that could be rectified with camber plates and proper tires on the F80.

Not sure, could it have something to do with the previous F30's front end structure?

I was watching a Q&A with Jason Cammisa (Auto Journalist and previous BMW enthusiast) and he was speaking about how the F30's front end was so weak that M refused to make an M car out of it with that structure. At the 1:11:10 mark in the video.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by petrolhead.

I don't understand why they are talking about the front axle so much. That's something that could be rectified with camber plates and proper tires on the F80.

My priorities with the G80 would have been:
1. more mechanical grip for the rear axle
2. less total weight of the car (improves dynamics)
3. better / longer lasting brakes on the front (cooling?) without the need to resort to carbon ceramics

They need that front end grip to offset the AWD plow

[Thunderstorm]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not quite. There were days where it was the average Joes buying the base non-M models that financed the niche M models produced in rather low volumes. Now BMW has more variants carrying the M badge than without

Sure but even that won't work if BMW's market analysis says they would only sell 300 Cars. Developing and homologating Cars / different Configurations (WLTP says hi) has gotten to expensive.

It's not like the Cars have gotten worse. Everyone that has actually driven the G8x says the steering and handling are better than in the F Series. G being faster than F is a given.

Less pure? Sure. Worse? Nah.

But then again i'm a sucker for new gadgets and developments. It's amazing how the Cars keep getting safer and have a wider working range while still bein faster than their predecessors.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I don't know about you but when I add my friend to go to the "gym" and he weighs about 220lbs I do feel the difference. Do I care about the difference? No at all, but I can feel it and I always prefer to drive my F80 by myself honestly.

You feel the extra 220 pounds in day to day driving? Screw a 6th sense, that's like 10th sense right there. I'm going to be blunt with you. What you're 'feeling' is all in your head. There is no way you will feel an extra 220 pounds in your car driving it day in and day out. The F8x is already such a porker that you'll feel the weight of the car WAY before you feel the extra weight of a passenger.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by petrolhead.

I don't understand why they are talking about the front axle so much. That's something that could be rectified with camber plates and proper tires on the F80.

My priorities with the G80 would have been:
1. more mechanical grip for the rear axle
2. less total weight of the car (improves dynamics)
3. better / longer lasting brakes on the front (cooling?) without the need to resort to carbon ceramics

It looks to me that this time they’ve decided to do things differently. Instead going down the very hard and costly path of shaving weight while improving comfort and technology they’ve lifted their heads up and looked at truly fast affordable road legal cars and how they do it. They then picked the low hanging fruit that yields the best results.

Three truly fast cars.

-Camaro ZL1
-Corvette Z06
-Nissan GT-R

Here’s a sentence from a ZL1 test:

“Instead, for just a moment, fixate on our measurement of the Camaro’s maximum lateral acceleration: 1.18 g’s. That kind of steady-state grip puts the 1LE in an elite group. Indeed, there’s only one car we’ve measured with more stick and that’s the Corvette Z06 equipped with the Z07 package (1.19 g’s). Everything else lets go sooner, period.”

So what do these two have that cars as the GT-R and 911 GT3 do not that allow for this grip? Mainly massive front tires, both sport 285s while the other two 255 and 245.

Looking at the GT-R it’s well known that it’s AWD system is one of the main keys to it’s relative blistering track performance.

The new M3/M4 is going for both these advantages in one go and I think it will be an animal in terms of performance. And I suspect that many people here that promise to skip it will be seduced by it.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by petrolhead.

I don't understand why they are talking about the front axle so much. That's something that could be rectified with camber plates and proper tires on the F80.

My priorities with the G80 would have been:
1. more mechanical grip for the rear axle
2. less total weight of the car (improves dynamics)
3. better / longer lasting brakes on the front (cooling?) without the need to resort to carbon ceramics

Struck me as well considering the strength of the F8X front axle. It was arguably the highlight of the car's dynamics.

But this time around if they include camber adjustment, fit sufficient tires (sizes), and brakes that don't turn to butter, no complaints.

If they are uprating the front axle traciton, then they must have found ways to manage the rear end (other than M xDrive since rwd is on offer), increase mechanical grip.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

They need that front end grip to offset the AWD plow

Didn't find the F90 to understeer on track, incredibly. Driven at short of 10/10ths, but turn in was very strong considering.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by solstice

So what do these two have that cars as the GT-R and 911 GT3 do not that allow for this grip? Mainly massive front tires, both sport 285s while the other two 255 and 245.

Looking at the GT-R it’s well known that it’s AWD system is one of the main keys to it’s relative blistering track performance.

The new M3/M4 is going for both these advantages in one go and I think it will be an animal in terms of performance. And I suspect that many people here that promise to skip it will be seduced by it.

You've got it. M xDrive version will be a GT-R on corner exit, but you won't have to wait on the front end like in a GT-R. You'll still have M turn in and mid-corner dynamics. Best of both worlds from an objective track performance standpoint.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Struck me as well considering the strength of the F8X front axle. It was arguably the highlight of the car's dynamics.

But this time around if they include camber adjustment, fit sufficient tires (sizes), and brakes that don't turn to butter, no complaints.

If they are uprating the front axle traciton, then they must have found ways to manage the rear end (other than M xDrive since rwd is on offer), increase mechanical grip.



Didn't find the F90 to understeer on track, incredibly. Driven at short of 10/10ths, but turn in was very strong considering.

My comment was tongue in cheek... But to be fair, the M5 uses the same 275-285 size as the G8X.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

It looks to me that this time they’ve decided to do things differently. Instead going down the very hard and costly path of shaving weight while improving comfort and technology they’ve lifted their heads up and looked at truly fast affordable road legal cars and how they do it. They then picked the low hanging fruit that yields the best results.

Three truly fast cars.

-Camaro ZL1
-Corvette Z06
-Nissan GT-R

Here’s a sentence from a ZL1 test:

“Instead, for just a moment, fixate on our measurement of the Camaro’s maximum lateral acceleration: 1.18 g’s. That kind of steady-state grip puts the 1LE in an elite group. Indeed, there’s only one car we’ve measured with more stick and that’s the Corvette Z06 equipped with the Z07 package (1.19 g’s). Everything else lets go sooner, period.”

So what do these two have that cars as the GT-R and 911 GT3 do not that allow for this grip? Mainly massive front tires, both sport 285s while the other two 255 and 245.

Looking at the GT-R it’s well known that it’s AWD system is one of the main keys to it’s relative blistering track performance.

The new M3/M4 is going for both these advantages in one go and I think it will be an animal in terms of performance. And I suspect that many people here that promise to skip it will be seduced by it.

The ZL1 ILE, Z06-Z07 use very sticky tire compounds. IMO, that's where most of the grip comes from.

[SYT_Shadow]

I don't get all the hate. The guy is smiling and likes the car, but he isn't a marketeer, he looks like an engineer

To all the haters, good luck with your 100k base 992 amish edition or your 4000lb C63 AMG

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I don't get all the hate. The guy is smiling and likes the car, but he isn't a marketeer, he looks like an engineer

To all the haters, good luck with your 100k base 992 amish edition or your 4000lb C63 AMG

Exactly many has the idea that they hate the new car and are now just looking for things to whine about. If you are paying attention to what he actually says it should make you really excited about the performance of these cars and not get hung up on the mechanical German to English voice over or that he is wearing racing gloves or try to find negatives from what he isn’t saying...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Thunderstorm

Sure but even that won't work if BMW's market analysis says they would only sell 300 Cars. Developing and homologating Cars / different Configurations (WLTP says hi) has gotten to expensive.

It's not like the Cars have gotten worse. Everyone that has actually driven the G8x says the steering and handling are better than in the F Series. G being faster than F is a given.

Less pure? Sure. Worse? Nah.

But then again i'm a sucker for new gadgets and developments. It's amazing how the Cars keep getting safer and have a wider working range while still bein faster than their predecessors.

The common denominator of all M3(4) generation since inception with the E30 has been to provide a dual use car: a track ready practical daily driver. The recipe to achieve this has varied through the generation, but that common design goal has remained. It is what got me in my first M3 19 years ago and why I have kept coming back. The F8X has been able to expand on both ends of the spectrum, being the most track enjoyable and capable while enhancing DD capabilities, which was quite a feat. As long as the G8X keeps that basic design philosophy, I am in (regardless of the front end look). But if they sacrifice too much of track readiness/enjoyment to please the ever increasing crowd that want a fast daily driver, I will seek other alternatives.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I don't get all the hate. The guy is smiling and likes the car, but he isn't a marketeer, he looks like an engineer

To all the haters, good luck with your 100k base 992 amish edition or your 4000lb C63 AMG

Now we have the choice between a 4,000lb M3, RS5 or C63

I agree though, he's a technical guy, the ///M VP of Engineering, not a marketeer and he is being factual about the car. It's the same guy that made this M4cs technical video:

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Now we have the choice between a 4,000lb M3, RS5 or C63

Unfortunately the RWD auto version will probably be 3800lb, but not 4000! Maybe the AWD version but I know you would avoid that if you went with another M

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Unfortunately the RWD auto version will probably be 3800lb, but not 4000! Maybe the AWD version but I know you would avoid that if you went with another M

3800 lbs sounds dramatic, with so many different weight standards and base equipment levels a relative weight difference should be more valuable. I’m guessing the RWD G8X with the same equipment level will be within 150 lbs of the F8X. No disaster. It also seems likely we’ll get some lightweight options as chairs not available on the F8X to narrow the gap.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

Are you saying it's not? This isn't a 911. In the real world where the M3 is going to be sitting in traffic with the adaptive cruise feature enabled,

The weight of the car make no difference whatsoever. I understand we're a forum of passionate enthusiasts but keep in mind the guys taking it to the gym and then grocery shopping and then out for date night is never going to feel the difference. The M3 is a sports sedan. Not a sports car.

I disagree with that notion.

Just because I sit a lot in traffic does not mean I don't value my experience with the car off the traffic and on the backroads or track, where these cars are meant to be driven. When the M engineers tell you that AWD is still "pressure heavy" in their promotion videos, you know it's a heavy car.

I hope this car turns out to be good. I really do. It is just saddening to hear they are starting out with some clearly inferior hardware components when it comes to sporty driving, which leaves many of us doubtful of that outcome.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Wyndi335I

Yeah he is one of the uppity types.

Oh yes, definitely!

I have an E34 M5 since over 23 years now and the community is just amazing! Growing men which don't need attention.

As for the F8x community...Insta kids which needs burbles and pop's to be cool.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by solstice

3800 lbs sounds dramatic, with so many different weight standards and base equipment levels a relative weight difference should be more valuable. I’m guessing the RWD G8X with the same equipment level will be within 150 lbs of the F8X. No disaster. It also seems likely we’ll get some lightweight options as chairs not available on the F8X to narrow the gap.

I have no idea, it's just an assumption. Hopefully the stripper models can be around 3600lb with RWD, but I doubt it. Hope springs eternal but 3800lb may be too much to track the way I track the E90 and the CS