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I’d take some comfort in what he says in this video that the new car is more agile and precise on the track than the F8X. For that to be possible either the car is similar enough in weight or the chassis tuning is so much better that the weight increase has little practical impact as long as the brakes can keep up which I have no doubt they can.
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The legendary M3s that are meant to be and will be driven hard by owners with all seasons? That sounds exciting.
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And I think we are making too much assumptions about driving skills of M drivers. Out of 100,000+ M3/4s sold worldwide, it is mostly the same people that lease/purchase about 2 cars in a life cycle. So assume 50,000 people for G20 countries, simple average is 2,500 per country (of course sales figure is exponential depending on countries) These are the same people who could have bought a large SUV but decided to go for a rowdy vehicle. I would say they are likely to be slightly above average drivers who more or less have confidence in handling high power than those trying to experience it for the first time.
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The dissonance originates mainly from his racing gloves.
It would make a world of difference when the senior engineer would take the pre-production version for a stroll around the track and talk us in as a "casual" not pre-meditated trip. Yes, he could be a bit more enthousiastic about this marvellous car, but he's just another dull engineer and that is not a bad thing. Rather him leading the project than Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt. Nevertheless, it's a BIG mistake of BMW marketing division to target this movie like they did. |
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This sums it all up! - no need to read further.
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I'll do you one better. Why not just get a 330i?
Simple answer: Status symbol. Complex answer: The people that can afford and drive these cars new are either mid to high level managers(or an up and coming business owner)(Don't think like a enthusiast, think like the average joe) and want to make a statement and show up to the office in a nice car. The only difference between an M340i and a 330i is that six cylinder engine basically. I have more disposable income to spend therefore I will purchase the highest model vehicle I can afford. People in the price bracket usually aren't *too* picky about how much gas costs or things like that. It might be on their mind but it's not something that'll be a deal breaker. I had the pleasure of speaking to a realtor who purchased a BASE 320i xDrive. The ONLY option it had was Nav. Bought it simply to make a statement to potential clients. The Roundel means a lot. I can't tell you how many of those people I had the pleasure of speaking to. That's the majority market for BMW, Mercedes and Audi. The majority of owners that decide they want a premium luxury brand aren't looking for how fast it goes or how sporty it is. All three German luxury brands share the same philosophy, and that's comfort. How they go about giving their clients that comfort is a completely different story.
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Because I can by an M3. This is America and it doesn't have to make sense and I really am not being a smart ass when I say this. I just don't believe in trashing a product because it doesn't meet your needs or chastise a individual because they buy that product and not use it for said purpose. I believe a M3 is a car that can be tracked to some point but in most cases driven daily my most consumers. Its purely a material object that most consumers can't afford or have no need for.
It is actually funny to see how serious people on this forum are getting bent out of shape about this. If i am fortunate enough to get this car, I will enjoy to the most of my capabilities which will be minimal and probably laughable.
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You can see why this would become a point of frustration for the small set of enthusiasts who buy the M3 for precisely the reasons that make it less friendly as a daily driver (and were prepared to pay extra for it)? They no longer have an option. Knowing that Audi, Benz and BMW are all going in this direction doesn't help. An Audi RS5 is a complete monster, and their Quattro system is amazing - but I just don't find their cars engaging to drive. An AMG C63S is luxurious and a beast in a straight line, but feels really heavy when you start to drive it harder. My F82 feels very different to those cars... and I tolerate many small problems for that reason. I hope that there is still a noticeable differentiation between these cars in the next generation. Last edited by pbar; 07-28-2020 at 02:45 PM.. |
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As I stated previously, the common denominator of each M3(4) generation has been a dual use car: a practical daily driver and track toy. With the F8X, Albert Biermann as the head of BMW ///M Engineering gave us the best one to date. Sadly, he left BMW because he did not like the direction ///M was taking. I am still hoping the G8X will fulfill my needs, but the preliminary info is not encouraging, with many of the key differentiators that made ///M superior to its competition gone.
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I am just being cautious with my enthusiasm and keeping my options open. It depends how the whole package comes out, it's not only about the DCT. I am looking forward to the reveal and even more so on test driving one (this will be the first M3/4 I want to test drive before I purchase).
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