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Does bmw think they are losing that large of a market share by people coming out of the woodwork for an awd m3? If so... i gather they think this will be a daily for many driving in the snow. To me thats not really an enthusiast vehicle but a mixed daily use car... as intended for an M3... but we are getting to the point w weight and awd / auto, why not just get anything else in the segment? Don't see the pull towards the bmw as in the past. I think I am keeping my M2 comp for quite a while...
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That's why he said sub brand, similar to what Alpina is and what AMG use to be.
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...and what ///M used to be.
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M use to be a sub brand before 1993 when BMW brought it in house. Same goes for AMG.
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AWD is not standard it’s an option (RWD is standard) to an option (competition model). To wring your hands in agony over BMW abandoning the M3 legacy by “going AWD” and reaching 4K lbs isn’t really fair or true is it?
AWD is an option for those who are prepared to trade some traditions for a lot of extra speed. For some like myself I’m looking forward to trying it out, not because I no longer appreciate low weight and MT transmission etc. but because I’m open and willing to try different things. If it doesn’t work out, well it’s just a trade away to the “purer” version or something else. |
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Because getting down 500+ horsepower and 400+ ft lbs of torque to the ground is impossible. The F8x was criticized for just that. Lack of traction.
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As I understand it they will offer the competition model as RWD and AWD with RWD being the standard competition drive type available at launch with AWD an optional drive type to the competition model that is launched later. Hence AWD is an option to an option...
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I see this part differently and it is what is keeping my hopes up. ///M has never produced that many variants of their road cars into factory race cars: the M6GT3, M8GTE, M4GT4, M2csR and the upcoming M4GT3. Even more so, these cars use very similar engines as their road going counterparts. It is what gives me hope that there is still some Motorsport DNA in ///M, and not only the most powerful letter in Marketing.
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