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      11-14-2020, 12:23 PM   #375
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But what you are saying is that if the vehicle is a success, is not due to the price point, or value prop, or range, or interior design, or exterior design, or driving dynamics, etc. You are saying it due to the grills. Which I'm not clear how we are arriving at that conclusion.
No, YOU'RE saying that. I'm saying aesthetics are part of what most people consider when they buy a car.
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But what you are saying is that if the vehicle is a success, is not due to the price point, or value prop, or range, or interior design, or exterior design, or driving dynamics, etc. You are saying it due to the grills. Which I'm not clear how we are arriving at that conclusion.
No, YOU'RE saying that. I'm saying aesthetics are part of what most people consider when they buy a car.
You missed the continuity of the argument.
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You missed the continuity of the argument.
You're insufferable.
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You missed the continuity of the argument.
You're insufferable.
That's a very gentle insult. Almost tolerable. Thank you.
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There is considerable interest for the iX, increased since the introduction. You will find a minority of interest on enthusiasts boards, however enthusiast boards tend more to contribute to specific models however cross-pollination in one subject tends to focus on one or more models, a concept, and here a change in the design status quo.

This of course generates from the radical moves against the "expected" safe words as THE 4 & M3 & M4.
As the revolutionary circle starts to spin the traditional is replaced with new interpretations and new ideas which avoids the bearer in this case BMW becoming labelled as stale and conservative as what was expected is now what was unexpected.

The iX fills this category as it aims to broaden its appeal with the traditional elements of what you expect from a BMW but introduces another element to those that did not think a BMW could offer this.
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I would have thought bmw learned their lesson from the "quirky" looking i3's design and how it was pretty much universally panned as ugly, yet they decide to continue with that design language.

For me the front and the side profile is just plain ugly.

The rear is not bad.

I quite like the interior.

Really wished they would have made a futuristic cool X5 design vs a larger jacked up i3.

Based purely on looks, i would take the audi and the benz over the ix
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      11-14-2020, 04:21 PM   #381
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There is considerable interest for the iX, increased since the introduction. You will find a minority of interest on enthusiasts boards, however enthusiast boards tend more to contribute to specific models however cross-pollination in one subject tends to focus on one or more models, a concept, and here a change in the design status quo.

This of course generates from the radical moves against the "expected" safe words as THE 4 & M3 & M4.
As the revolutionary circle starts to spin the traditional is replaced with new interpretations and new ideas which avoids the bearer in this case BMW becoming labelled as stale and conservative as what was expected is now what was unexpected.

The iX fills this category as it aims to broaden its appeal with the traditional elements of what you expect from a BMW but introduces another element to those that did not think a BMW could offer this.
I'm sorry but across every media/social media channel I've seen nothing but mockery, anger and disappointment in latest design direction.

It seems like the design team is caught in an echo chamber of self-delusion. Sales will tell the picture but one of the leading indicators is immediate customer feedback and it is terrible so far.
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      11-14-2020, 04:30 PM   #382
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It baffles my mind that BMW didn't learn for i3 failure :
i3 is a success, and an excellent car. But it is certainly ugly.

To me i3 is better than iX (within its use case), as it is truly lightweight and does not pretend to have a CF cell. It's the real deal, without the cost cutting on iX.
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      11-14-2020, 04:32 PM   #383
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i3 is a success, and an excellent car. But it is certainly ugly.

To me i3 is better than iX (within its use case), as it is truly lightweight and does not pretend to have a CF cell. It's the real deal, without the cost cutting on iX.
On my second i3 now an i3S. The rumours of its demise have been exaggerated. Another update is expected.
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i3 is a success, and an excellent car. But it is certainly ugly.

To me i3 is better than iX (within its use case), as it is truly lightweight and does not pretend to have a CF cell. It's the real deal, without the cost cutting on iX.
On my second i3 now an i3S. The rumours of its demise have been exaggerated. Another update is expected.
My i3 was great. Enjoyed it a lot. But only reason I owned one was due to the $200 lease payment. It was not worth the $56K MSRP it was listed at.

BMW's arrogance thinking they are the Apple of the car world, "whatever we build people will buy" will be evident in sales decline in the coming years if they continue with their self-indulgence.

My only hope is the i4 now. Praying they don't mess it up.
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      11-14-2020, 08:22 PM   #386
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I honestly hate any car with these dashboards. It looks so stupid. I prefer a built-in look I suppose...
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      11-15-2020, 02:48 AM   #387
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i3 is a success, and an excellent car. But it is certainly ugly.

To me i3 is better than iX (within its use case), as it is truly lightweight and does not pretend to have a CF cell. It's the real deal, without the cost cutting on iX.
Having a fully carbon frame is really epensive, so not sure you can consider that "cost-cutting", more like "making it sustainable"
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I'm having difficulty scouring the specifications for "advanced" technology here.

The whole concept has been touted as "next generation" hence iNext - but unless this is 2012 news, I can't find anything that pushes the needle forward on market-defining technology, BEV or otherwise.
First, BMW hasn't talked a lot about technology. In the youtube reviews, it was mentioned that the iX will have BMW OS8, so the successor to the current OS. Also, it is said that the iX will have LIDAR sensors, though that is not confirmed.

There was a report a while ago that BMW dialed back the autonomous driving capabilities of the iX and no longer targets level 3 or whatever it was.
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Another ugly design..... all new BMWs are so ugly.... please fire all your designers you got from Lexus.
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First, BMW hasn't talked a lot about technology. In the youtube reviews, it was mentioned that the iX will have BMW OS8, so the successor to the current OS. Also, it is said that the iX will have LIDAR sensors, though that is not confirmed.

There was a report a while ago that BMW dialed back the autonomous driving capabilities of the iX and no longer targets level 3 or whatever it was.
In this webinar BMW Simon Fuerst, Principal Expert for Automated Driving Technologies explains the BMW level 3 situation more detail.

enotrans.org/event/webinar-automated-vehicle-technology-public-policy-and-bmws-level-3-av-system

They have no date fixed when the release will be.
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Give me a few names of other EV SUV with better specs.
If we are talking 2022 models, which is what the iX will be: Lucid Air and M-B. Both are dedicated EV platforms and not rehashed ICE platforms.
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Give me a few names of other EV SUV with better specs.
If we are talking 2022 models, which is what the iX will be: Lucid Air and M-B. Both are dedicated EV platforms and not rehashed ICE platforms.
And add Rivian to the list since they'll come out by the end of 21'.
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The iX fills this category as it aims to broaden its appeal with the traditional elements of what you expect from a BMW but introduces another element to those that did not think a BMW could offer this.
Traditional elements of what we expect from a BMW? Where is the corona-rings (U/J-light design)? Touch column stalks? Hoffmeisterknick? Normal sized split grill design? Sharp looking shoulder line? I was looking forward for the iX (what a ridiculous name tough), but this was so disappointed. Im glad it has the iDrive controller, but regards to the 2AT spy shot, we won't have it for long time anymore until it dies.

Remove the BMW badge, and the iX looks like an Kia. Sorry to say, but BMW has lost it, and the customer experience/services are terrible.
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Is this supposed to be a joke?
The quote from that tweet is insulting. People actually use the things inside the car that they've determined it "doesn't need". So now to increase heating fan speed you get to press two buttons on a touchscreen instead of one physical button that's easily within reach. Or whatever function you've programmed to the 1-8 shortcut keys that are now gone, you get to attempt to activate by voice or digging through several menus. But by their account we "didn't need" any of that.

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Traditional elements of what we expect from a BMW? Where is the corona-rings (U/J-light design)? Touch column stalks? Hoffmeisterknick? Normal sized split grill design? Sharp looking shoulder line? I was looking forward for the iX (what a ridiculous name tough), but this was so disappointed. Im glad it has the iDrive controller, but regards to the 2AT spy shot, we won't have it for long time anymore until it dies.

Remove the BMW badge, and the iX looks like an Kia. Sorry to say, but BMW has lost it, and the customer experience/services are terrible.
Well said. Losing everything that identifies their cars and makes them great to look at and operate. If they don't keep what differentiates them then the brand name becomes meaningless. Also glad to see the iDrive knob retained but yeah the 2AT spy shots even put that into question. The sad thing is removing any of these controls doesn't enhance the product or usability in any way. It's purely to follow a trend and make some statement with the design that doesn't benefit the user. The question is can this still be prevented for their most important models.

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BMW's marketing campaign seems to be run by a college intern. So much cringe.

I didn't see that one! Holy crap that's unbelievably bad. If I weren't so pissed-off about them eliminating coupes and roadsters whilst further developing their relationship with Toyota, I might start to pity them... I mean really..
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