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      06-01-2021, 08:46 PM   #1
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With the i4 now available for pre-order, anyone here placed an order?

I have not ordered yet but I do want one.
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      06-01-2021, 08:53 PM   #2
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Nope. Don’t want anything until at least 6+ months of volume production experience for the plant.
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      06-01-2021, 09:24 PM   #3
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Nope. Don’t want anything until at least 6+ months of volume production experience for the plant.
Haha, I hear ya. I remember even with the ICE vehicles, BMW would often make minor updates/improvement a few months after a new model is released.
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I'm think a lease may be the way to go with this car.

3 year obligation and any problems that may occur will be on them. Additionally, guessing the depreciation on this car will be huge.

Not sure this is the Model 3 competitor we all hoped for.

Curious how or if the rebate will be available on a lease......................................

Question being do you think the $56K EV car will be worth $25K after 3 years? ($699 per month + $5399 @ signing)

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I'm think a lease may be the way to go with this car.

3 year obligation and any problems that may occur will be on them. Additionally, guessing the depreciation on this car will be huge.

Not sure this is the Model 3 competitor we all hoped for.

Curious how or if the rebate will be available on a lease......................................
Lease may make sense, but need to know how BMWFS will handle the $7500 tax incentive first, as they are the legal owner/buyer of the vehicle. If they don't pass that along, that could make a lease less desirable.

Genesis GV70 EV is gaining interest now...
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Lease may make sense, but need to know how BMWFS will handle the $7500 tax incentive first, as they are the legal owner/buyer of the vehicle. If they don't pass that along, that could make a lease less desirable.

Genesis GV70 EV is gaining interest now...
BMWFS does pass the $7500 tax credit to the customer as a rebate, mostly with an extra amount for loyalty. For example, the i3 gets up to $10,500 rebate for leases - $7500 + $2500 loyalty/$3000 extra rebate.
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BMWFS does pass the $7500 tax credit to the customer as a rebate, mostly with an extra amount for loyalty. For example, the i3 gets up to $10,500 rebate for leases - $7500 + $2500 loyalty/$3000 extra rebate.
The i3 is a one off. They don't have to (and likely as advertised) will not pass along the 7,500 rebate on leases. The X5 45e lease does not have the 7,500 passed on to the customer as a rebate. One of the biggest reasons I refused to lease the 45e.
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The i3 is a one off. They don't have to (and likely as advertised) will not pass along the 7,500 rebate on leases. The X5 45e lease does not have the 7,500 passed on to the customer as a rebate. One of the biggest reasons I refused to lease the 45e.
That's messed up then.
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I'm think a lease may be the way to go with this car.

3 year obligation and any problems that may occur will be on them. Additionally, guessing the depreciation on this car will be huge.

Not sure this is the Model 3 competitor we all hoped for.

Curious how or if the rebate will be available on a lease......................................

This car will play out a bit differently than the i3 playbook. That absolutely depreciated like a tank and for good reason. This should do well in comparison, but more along the lines of typical BMW depreciation. Nothing near as good as Tesla. BMW EVs just don't have that type of marketing hype, and likely never will (Elon's fan base plays a huge role in Tesla's lack of depreciation).

I also doubt there will be massive problems for this car at launch year. BMW has taken a different approach to say Tesla (which is safe to say that first owners are usually beta testers). Extensive real world testing for their EVs goes pretty far back and is well tested. I wouldn't say buyers of these cars are Guinea pigs.

We had first year i3 BEV, 3yrs and 30k miles later. It is without a doubt the most problem free BMW I have ever owned. Zero issues. Zero range degradation. EPA range was 72, we frequently achieved 90-95.

Same goes for our X5 45e, so far we have had zero issues. Advertised EPA range of 30 (I think), and we easily achieve 40.

So I believe that we will likely be hitting closer to the 270mi mark for the M50 and the 40e will be 325mi. We shall see. One of the engineers was saying 300miles range for any type of driving.

Ultimately, we actually appreciate the more traditional styling of the i4 next to the more experimental design of the iX (interior and exterior). The large kidneys of the G22 bothered me as a 80's/90's BMW purist when they first came out, but I feel they work well here.

I did look at Tesla Model 3/Y for my wife, but she felt the interior is really inferior to many cars out there today. Minimalistic/Futuristic absolutely. A button to open the door (cool). iPad screen (cool). Hidden Air vents (cool). But when it came down to touch and feel and appearance, they remind me of late 90s economy cars. Plastics, carpets, edges, stitching and quality of lather, trim joints. So ultimately, no matter how many people, magazines or car companies say otherwise, the Model 3 will always be the EV competitor for say the Honda Civic or Mazda 3 (to my wife and I). Without a doubt it absolutely blows them away (for a price).
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      06-02-2021, 01:23 PM   #10
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Lease may make sense, but need to know how BMWFS will handle the $7500 tax incentive first, as they are the legal owner/buyer of the vehicle. If they don't pass that along, that could make a lease less desirable.

Genesis GV70 EV is gaining interest now...

Amen to that.

I8 seemed to have a number of problems and not sure how committed BMW is to EV's compared to other companies.

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Preordered the reg model, I think the grille looks better than the msport grille. But I really like the msport wheels. Is is possible to switch up individual parts once your configure at a dealership? I would really prefer the msport with the reg grille.
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Anyone pre-ordered the i4?

Placed an order on mine today but there is a lot of uncertain factors, dealer told me at best they thought it would go in to production in November, and deliveries in march, my dealer was swarmd with intreests for the car, they also had some firm order 10 iXs cars and that is in my own town witch aint a big town.
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Reserved an i4 M50 for myself — current Tesla P3D owner, former ///M owner, too. Also reserved an iX for the Mrs…she currently drives a 2019 X5.

Only real question is charging network… I don’t have any experience with non-Tesla fast chargers… but from the looks of things, the 3rd-party networks are pretty lacking…. So that will be a big problem for people. It‘s not like you can get AAA to bring you a gallon of gas when you run out… flat-bed tow to the nearest (working) L3 charger :P There isn‘t a charger on every corner, either.
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Placed an order on mine today but there is a lot of uncertain factors, dealer told me at best they thought it would go in to production in November, and deliveries in march, my dealer was swarmd with intreests for the car, they also had some firm order 10 iXs cars and that is in my own town witch aint a big town.
Wow, amazing. If they got firm order for 10 even in a small town, that could mean the interest is high.

I've just begun to look into the iX as well and it seems more like what the concept i4 was originally.
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I called BMWFS. They said the $7500 tax credit is applied to a lease as down payment credit.
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Reserved an i4 M50 for myself — current Tesla P3D owner, former ///M owner, too. Also reserved an iX for the Mrs…she currently drives a 2019 X5.

Only real question is charging network… I don’t have any experience with non-Tesla fast chargers… but from the looks of things, the 3rd-party networks are pretty lacking…. So that will be a big problem for people. It‘s not like you can get AAA to bring you a gallon of gas when you run out… flat-bed tow to the nearest (working) L3 charger :P There isn‘t a charger on every corner, either.
Charging a non Tesla car is absolutely a problem. I charged my i3 probably 5 times in 5 years away from home. It was just such a hassle. The chargers are often broken or out of service and they are extremely expensive. And in popular places like the airport, there is never enough availability. And if you can manage to find a free charger, odds are that a Nissan Leaf will be hogging it indefinitely.
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I called BMWFS. They said the $7500 tax credit is applied to a lease as down payment credit.
Now that is good news.
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Charging a non Tesla car is absolutely a problem. I charged my i3 probably 5 times in 5 years away from home. It was just such a hassle. The chargers are often broken or out of service and they are extremely expensive. And in popular places like the airport, there is never enough availability. And if you can manage to find a free charger, odds are that a Nissan Leaf will be hogging it indefinitely.
Charging away form home will be an issue until infrastructure is built.

Rumors were that new administration was going incentivize small businesses and other "mainstreet" locations to install car chargers. But again, plenty of talk and zero action.

At best, most EV's (excepting Tesla), are daily driver/ short haul, charge at home vehicles (providing you own a home).

Not saying that is a bad thing. Many use cars for work and around town. Going EV with less maintenance and no gasoline can be a positive IMO. Those expecting today's EV's to match ICE cars in range and refueling time (and access to fueling stations), probably won't see that gap close for another decade.
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No for three reasons:

(1) Never buy a car in the first year of production;
(2) There are no high speed chargers anywhere near me; and
(3) the grille.

Otherwise, I would be very tempted.
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Markus Flasch says in a new i4 M50 Video on Instagram: „Available in July 2021“
I think he means the start of ordering.

A German Youtube channel for electric cars says: „Orders begin on July 14th“
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Markus Flasch says in a new i4 M50 Video on Instagram: „Available in July 2021“
I think he means the start of ordering.

A German Youtube channel for electric cars says: „Orders begin on July 14th“
Bastille Day. Hopefully not symbolic.
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I was thinking about it, but need more complete information such as what level of driver assist will be offered, and what is the actual price after options (and what are the options). My concern is after the cost of options are added, price will be far from competitive even with the $7500 tax credit. I know one major concern for many is the lack of charging infrastructure. For me as 95%+ of my charging would be at home, not an issue. Over time the "everyone else" (not Tesla) charging infrastructure will improve.
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