[Tam the Bam]

Originally Posted by beerglass007

So glad i have a M340i and dont worry about all this

Just fill up and enjoy

There will be a time when EV comes to my life but I’ll worry about it then and when its more mature

P.S Had my first go in a Tesla 3 AWD and nah the M340i ruined it on every account other than Price Per Mile

Didn’t sound good, didn’t handle as well, wasn’t as fast 0-60 or any other figure. Rattled, build quality lacking not for me right yet

Have you seen this thread where a 340i driver is beaten from the lights.

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1866719

[paulockenden]

Hydrogen cars are still effectively EVs, just with fuel cells rather than (or more likely complementing) a stack of batteries.

[marksandygill]

If I was buying a car purely for 0-60 times then I'd be all over the Model 3, if I wanted a well built car that was fast enough for everyday use and doesn't look like a weird frog then it would be the M340i

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by Tam the Bam

Have you seen this thread where a 340i driver is beaten from the lights.

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1866719

I wonder though, who would complete the journey that I'm undertaking tomorrow. Door to door google maps is showing it to be 508 miles. That to me is far more relevant than whether I can get to 60mph in 3.1secs as opposed to 4.5secs

Car ownership, like most things in life, is a series of compromises. I think (or hope) we all know that single motor EVs are rapid, and dual motor ones are crazy fast. And we all know that after the cost of it, the biggest compromise is range/charge times & availability of charge points. Personally the noise that a car emits isn't a huge thing for me, so if non-hydrocarbon powered cars can sort range/recharging up then I'd be more than happy. As I said earlier, hydrogen is of interest (but of course also has compromises).

One other thing I question, is when I get to the end of my 508 mile journey, is it polite to then ask my host whether I can plug into his electricity supply??

[marksandygill]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

I wonder though, who would complete the journey that I'm undertaking tomorrow. Door to door google maps is showing it to be 508 miles. That to me is far more relevant than whether I can get to 60mph in 3.1secs as opposed to 4.5secs

Car ownership, like most things in life, is a series of compromises. I think (or hope) we all know that single motor EVs are rapid, and dual motor ones are crazy fast. And we all know that after the cost of it, the biggest compromise is range/charge times & availability of charge points. Personally the noise that a car emits isn't a huge thing for me, so if non-hydrocarbon powered cars can sort range/recharging up then I'd be more than happy. As I said earlier, hydrogen is of interest (but of course also has compromises).

One other thing I question, is when I get to the end of my 508 mile journey, is it polite to then ask my host whether I can plug into his electricity supply??

Well as a model 3 has a range of around 290 miles, you'd probably stop twice so you wouldn't need to charge at your hosts, you can get to 90% charge in around 40 minutes and with a 500 mile journey I'd be stopping a couple of times anyway for food and refreshments (you'd have to stop for fuel anyway at least once I'd imagine)

Life is a compromise, however I'd argue hardly anyone would drive 508 miles without stopping at least once or twice as it's easily an 8-9 hour journey, so realistically it might take you an extra 40-50 minutes

Unless your hosts are nice and in that case probably the same time

[xenon]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

That to me is far more relevant than whether I can get to 60mph in 3.1secs as opposed to 4.5secs

Absolutely, as it would be to anyone. It was just a point to contradict a previous poster who claimed the 340i was quicker 0-60 when it patently isn't.

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by marksandygill

Well as a model 3 has a range of around 290 miles, you'd probably stop twice so you wouldn't need to charge at your hosts, you can get to 90% charge in around 40 minutes and with a 500 mile journey I'd be stopping a couple of times anyway for food and refreshments (you'd have to stop for fuel anyway at least once I'd imagine)

If I don't charge at my host, how am I going to get back, as I've got the 508 miles to do on Sunday??

Googling real world mileage of this Model 3 Performance, it is 239 miles (I guess depending on age and temperature as well as roads), so it would need some good planning.

Originally Posted by marksandygill

Life is a compromise, however I'd argue hardly anyone would drive 508 miles without stopping at least once or twice as it's easily an 8-9 hour journey, so realistically it might take you an extra 40-50 minutes

Out of interest, are there ever queues at the charging points? Realistically though, you are right and I will stop. Probably twice for about 20 minutes each. So that would be an hour less than EVs. If charging a 3rd time, which might have to be the case if only getting 90%, then maybe you're looking at 2 hours, taking it from 8 hours to nearer 10.

And if I am totally honest, I find UK service stations to be absolutely horrendous places to spend any time what so ever, with the exception of maybe Tebay (who only have a supercharger on the southbound carriageway).

Might be a tad anal of me, but I have got a print out of petrol stations off of the M6, which junction and how far off the m'way they are. I'll be going to one of those as it is both cheaper than horrific m'way prices, and probably nicer too.

Originally Posted by marksandygill

Unless your hosts are nice and in that case probably the same time

Not sure my host would be that thrilled to have 5 or 6 EVs plugged in overnight! However there seems to be, according to Tesla, a Tesla Connector up to 6KW about 15 miles from where I will be staying though there is an upto 150KW 80 miles before that. No idea how slowly a 6KW charger does things, but guessing your 90% in 40 mins is for the 150KW ones.

[marksandygill]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

If I don't charge at my host, how am I going to get back, as I've got the 508 miles to do on Sunday??

Googling real world mileage of this Model 3 Performance, it is 239 miles (I guess depending on age and temperature as well as roads), so it would need some good planning.

Out of interest, are there ever queues at the charging points? Realistically though, you are right and I will stop. Probably twice for about 20 minutes each. So that would be an hour less than EVs. If charging a 3rd time, which might have to be the case if only getting 90%, then maybe you're looking at 2 hours, taking it from 8 hours to nearer 10.

And if I am totally honest, I find UK service stations to be absolutely horrendous places to spend any time what so ever, with the exception of maybe Tebay (who only have a supercharger on the southbound carriageway).

Might be a tad anal of me, but I have got a print out of petrol stations off of the M6, which junction and how far off the m'way they are. I'll be going to one of those as it is both cheaper than horrific m'way prices, and probably nicer too.

Not sure my host would be that thrilled to have 5 or 6 EVs plugged in overnight! However there seems to be, according to Tesla, a Tesla Connector up to 6KW about 15 miles from where I will be staying though there is an upto 150KW 80 miles before that. No idea how slowly a 6KW charger does things, but guessing your 90% in 40 mins is for the 150KW ones.

Carwow tested the Model 3 Perf and got 286 miles highway, so technically you could do the journey with one stop and still have 60 miles of range when you arrive, but if you stopped twice you'd have more range when arriving

The 40 minutes is on a 250kw of which there aren't many around, 150kw oddly isn't much slower as the power draw only stays above 150kw for a short period of time

6kw, I mean your 4 year lease would run out before it charged I imagine!!

Anyway, just to make it clear, I don't like Teslas...

[kstainsb]

Originally Posted by willougs

Therefore, £3.86 / 10.4 kWh = 0.37p per kWh is the absolute maximum I should consider paying?

Isn’t that a mistake? It’s 37p/kWh, not 0.37p

[gavinwong]

Understand it's a U.K. thread, but thought I'd add my charging situation.
Living in Amsterdam now, most of the parking is on street so I have to use public charging. Good job here in NL there are a lot of charging points. Literally 12 on my street alone.
So, those public charging points cost €0.37 per kWh. Petrol is currently €1.93 per litre (€2,10 on the motorway!)
What I've done is subscribe to BMW charging. Costs €4.99 per month, but I get €0.27 per kWh no matter the charging provider, and no connection costs. Some here charge a €0.30 connection charge (like shell recharge for example). I also get the bmw rate no matter where I charge in europe including the U.K.
I then pretty much recover the €4.99 per month through collecting BMW points on an annual basis.
I get 45km per full charge on average, so electric runs work out at 6.6c per km