[TheKandyman]

Why is this thread still alive? Everyone has an opinion like everyone has an a-hole. And some of the opinions stated here - particularly those coming from persons who don't own either vehicle, seem to emerge from their ...

We each bought a car that we assessed to be the right car, given the needs, desires, abilities and constraints we had at the time. Who cares if someone else thinks that some other car is better or worse?

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by Stag77

G26 owners saying G26 is better = good.
G20 owners saying G20 is better = bias.



I think the G26 is a fantastic car to drive, and I love the interior. It's my one gripe with the G20. If it shared some elements with the G26 interior, it would truly be the perfect car in my eyes.

But while the G26 has a better interior, the G20 has a substantially better exterior. The G26 styling just isn't for me. The grille, abeit much better than the previous iteration, is still unpleasant to look at, and I've never been a fan of 4 door coupes. I do find the G26 rear end to be quite attactive, though.

The difference is that I’ve owned both, and if I liked the G20, I would have kept it since it was cheaper. I don’t have implicit bias; I have experience.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by madpistol

The difference is that I’ve owned both, and if I liked the G20, I would have kept it since it was cheaper. I don’t have implicit bias; I have experience.

You're trying to gatekeep what validates having experience driving a car. You're allowed to justify it to yourself however you want, but currently owning one of the two cars being discussed still subjects you to bias. He also experienced the car and you dismissed his opinion because he didn't agree with you.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by Stag77

You're trying to gatekeep what validates having experience driving a car. You're allowed to justify it to yourself however you want, but currently owning one of the two cars being discussed still subjects you to bias. He also experienced the car and you dismissed his opinion because he didn't agree with you.

But he hasn’t owned both cars. I have. That’s the difference. Driving one is great, but being the owner of both makes it much easier to discuss the pros and cons.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by madpistol

But he hasn’t owned both cars. I have. That’s the difference. Driving one is great, but being the owner of both makes it much easier to discuss the pros and cons.

But it doesn't change the fact that he has a valid experience and you're currently emotionally tied to one of those cars.

Either way, you still have a great car no matter what some stranger on the internet tells you. Have a good one!

[wdc330i]

Originally Posted by TheKandyman

Why is this thread still alive? Everyone has an opinion like everyone has an a-hole. And some of the opinions stated here - particularly those coming from persons who don't own either vehicle, seem to emerge from their ...

We each bought a car that we assessed to be the right car, given the needs, desires, abilities and constraints we had at the time. Who cares if someone else thinks that some other car is better or worse?

I agree with this—mostly. But, when deliberating between several options, it has always been useful for me to read through folks’ parsing of experiences of different models. Albeit through my own filter.

For instance, having driven multiple iterations of X3s, I dismiss the opinion earlier that that vehicle is better than any 3 series, 4 series—or even 2 series with the same engine. That car, while amazing and practical for what it is, was just not fun for someone coming from a BMW with a lower center of gravity.

I have not driven current 3 series extensively (multiple previous iterations, yes), so I can totally imagine they are sharper and more responsive than the 4 GC, which is longer, wider, and heavier. That’s also what makes it more comfortable, and i can totally imagine it also makes it less sporty.

And yes, different strokes for different folks. My 4 GC is my wagon/SUV substitute and I am very happy with it. YMMV.

[Sam Tango]

Originally Posted by Stag77

You're trying to gatekeep what validates having experience driving a car. You're allowed to justify it to yourself however you want, but currently owning one of the two cars being discussed still subjects you to bias. He also experienced the car and you dismissed his opinion because he didn't agree with you.

dude

how can you even have a valid opinion without experience?

[Sam Tango]

Originally Posted by deathmetal666

I’ve driven both recently.

The m440ix gran coupe is very soft to me. Compared to the m340z
It doesn’t pull nearly as hard as the m340ix. Especially on the freeway.
The acceleration was underwhelming. Surprising from the b58.
My x3 m40i pulls harder.

The suspension also feels very cushioned. The m340 is way sharper.
Steering in comfort much heavier on m340.

The 440 gran coupe felt like an Audi to me.
The m340 feels more BMW like.
My x3 m40i is more exhilarating to drive than the 440i gc.

yup, this is basically what i said but apparently owning one of these cars and driving another one for over a month makes me biased

[Sam Tango]

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Sam Tango

OMG a YouTuber has a design opinion on a boldly-designed vehicle. Three years ago. Shocker.

If we wanted to drive the same boring 3 Series we and every high school senior has been driving for the past 30 years, we would. It’s not like we can’t afford it. We wanted something different. And we do.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

OMG a professional car designer has a design opinion on a questionably-designed vehicle.

FTFY

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

OMG a YouTuber has a design opinion on a boldly-designed vehicle. Three years ago. Shocker.

If we wanted to drive the same boring 3 Series we and every high school senior has been driving for the past 30 years, we would. It’s not like we can’t afford it. We wanted something different. And we do.

This.

Also, I don’t find the 4 series coupe particularly attractive, but I think the 4 GC looks stunning. The video posted is on the 4 coupe.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Stag77

FTFY

Respected car designers don’t need to make clickbait videos on YouTube. It’s a clown with an Apple Pencil, nothing more.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by madpistol

This.

Also, I don’t find the 4 series coupe particularly attractive, but I think the 4 GC looks stunning. The video posted is on the 4 coupe.

Excellent point.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Respected car designers don’t need to make clickbait videos on YouTube. It’s a clown with an Apple Pencil, nothing more.

You can dislike him for his unfavorable opinion on a car you like, but his career speaks for itself. If he's a clown, then sign me up for the circus. His youtube channel appears to be more want than need.

In the end, his opinion is just that.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Stag77

You can dislike him for his unfavorable opinion on a car you like, but his career speaks for itself. If he's a clown, then sign me up for the circus. His youtube channel appears to be more want than need.

In the end, his opinion is just that.

His "opinion" is from three-years-ago, back when BMW shocked the automotive world with it's radically retro front end. Everyone in the YouTube car review space immediately pounced like the hyena's they are, declaring to the COVID-locked world how ugly it was, how BMW lost their way, etc. etc. click click click goes the clickbait.

And here three-years-later, we don't hear any of that anymore and BMW continues to produce even more radical front ends on the 3 LCI, the new 5 Series, the iX, the X5, the X7, and on and on. The 4 Series feels right at home with all the other vehicles in the 2024 line. It was just among the first.

In the end, his opinion is just that and it's regurgitating something that's ancient, three-years-old. If you don't want a 4 Series, don't buy one. Those of us who have them, love them and thank BMW for offering so much choice in the ~$50,000 luxury Coupe/Sedan segment.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

His "opinion" is from three-years-ago, back when BMW shocked the automotive world with it's radically retro front end. Everyone in the YouTube car review space immediately pounced like the hyena's they are, declaring to the COVID-locked world how ugly it was, how BMW lost their way, etc. etc. click click click goes the clickbait.

And here three-years-later, we don't hear any of that anymore and BMW continues to produce even more radical front ends on the 3 LCI, the new 5 Series, the iX, the X5, the X7, and on and on. The 4 Series feels right at home with all the other vehicles in the 2024 line. It was just among the first.

In the end, his opinion is just that and it's regurgitating something that's ancient, three-years-old. If you don't want a 4 Series, don't buy one. Those of us who have them, love them and thank BMW for offering so much choice in the ~$50,000 luxury Coupe/Sedan segment.

Three years isn't even remotely ancient, and those radical front ends are still polarizing today. Nobody was calling the new 4 Series ugly just for clicks.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by Stag77

Three years isn't even remotely ancient, and those radical front ends are still polarizing today. Nobody was calling the new 4 Series ugly just for clicks.

Pretty sure most people say "It's growing on me" when referring to the big grille now. Also, my car gets tons of compliments; most people like the way it looks.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Stag77

Three years isn't even remotely ancient, and those radical front ends are still polarizing today. Nobody was calling the new 4 Series ugly just for clicks.

I watch BMW YouTube videos all the time and since the original clickbait crush of "OMG the front end!" copycats in 2020 not a single other one has come to my attention. It's 2024. It's just accepted that this is a choice for customers and that's that.

What I can tell you as someone who has owned every E and F 3 and 4 since 2004, I get more compliments, questions, and thumbs-up from onlookers than any other BMW I've ever owned and that includes the early years of the hardtop convertible which was a show-stopper.

And speaking for all 4 Series owners, we'd rather have BMW try for something fresh and different and risk being called unattractive than have them continue to create and recreate the same old boring 3 Series as they have since the E90 dropped in 2004. I see your car and it looks like my 2009 Sedan. Zzzz.

If you want to drive a car that looks 20 years old, that's fine, we had that choice too and chose not to.

[Cammy440iGC]

I had a 2016 F30 340i-Xdrive. Great car. Loved it. A few people did notice it was a 340i--not a 330i and say things like I bet she moves.

Since September I have a 2024 M440i G/C -XDrive in Portimao Blue...and I get compliments daily. Just yesterday I had the cashier at the service station ask...is that blue BMW yours...I said yes...he said man...what do you do for a living to drive a car like that? The guy behind me chimes in...if the blue car is yours...its amazing.

So I have driven both a 3 series 340i and now the 4 series M440i and if your looking for people to "notice" your ride...the M440i we get much more attention.

Which you may not want.

Frankly, I just went M440i G/C X-Drive because I need 4 doors and had a 340i X-Drive. So just changed it up.

But I wany not expecting the attention the M440i garners.

I also must say the Portimao blue really seems to fascinate folks.

I think its a color most people have not seen on a BMW...its a very unique and sporty blue. Really compliments the M440i G/C and its cerium grey trim.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

I watch BMW YouTube videos all the time and since the original clickbait crush of "OMG the front end!" copycats in 2020 not a single other one has come to my attention. It's 2024. It's just accepted that this is a choice for customers and that's that.

What I can tell you as someone who has owned every E and F 3 and 4 since 2004, I get more compliments, questions, and thumbs-up from onlookers than any other BMW I've ever owned and that includes the early years of the hardtop convertible which was a show-stopper.

And speaking for all 4 Series owners, we'd rather have BMW try for something fresh and different and risk being called unattractive than have them continue to create and recreate the same old boring 3 Series as they have since the E90 dropped in 2004. I see your car and it looks like my 2009 Sedan. Zzzz.

If you want to drive a car that looks 20 years old, that's fine, we had that choice too and chose not to.

Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug. You seem to be trying to convince yourself more than others. Every new car with the new styled grille has it addressed in videos. Maybe so many people made videos about the ugly front end because it's ugly? Crazy thought, huh? Thank God we have the true measure of beauty quantified in anecdotal thumbs up!

Speak for yourself. There are 4 owners who aren't sold on the grille either.

[Stag77]

Originally Posted by madpistol

Pretty sure most people say "It's growing on me" when referring to the big grille now. Also, my car gets tons of compliments; most people like the way it looks.

And in my experience most people don't, the polls are still out though. When the iX was revealed says enough about that. You have a nice car, it should get compliments. People do like it but you will not hear from the people who don't, at least not in person. It's really a love or hate, I don't find very many people in the middle.