[Jimjamz]

Will there be a M4GC? That's the only one I'd consider alongside a G81 Touring.

[WestCoast76]

It has been confirmed that BMW will not produce the M4GC

[DaveH28]

Originally Posted by WestCoast76

It has been confirmed that BMW will not produce the M4GC

My future plan is to get the M3 touring..
But gotta say it's a shame they're not doing a M4GC.. would be a harder decision then.

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by WestCoast76

It has been confirmed that BMW will not produce the M4GC

Where did you see this? I remember this being confirmed for the F generation but not the G generation yet.

[WestCoast76]

Originally Posted by sikotic

Where did you see this? I remember this being confirmed for the F generation but not the G generation yet.

Just Google it

https://www.motor1.com/news/499769/n...m4-gran-coupe/

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by mbanck

No, but it's been confirmed unofficially since forever, or well, January 2019: "And that also means that G26 will be a true mix of 3GT and 4GC: long wheel base with a more streamlined hatchback body" --

There was nothing 3GT about the 4GC in the F series; what makes you think the G will be any different?

To me, the spy video and the EV show the new GC to be the existing 4 coupe with doors where the body panels are, same exact design concept as the F36.

[oz555]

Originally Posted by JohnBucurE92

Looks extremely well composed on the ring despite the fact that it's not a full DNA M model. I wonder if it will have improved characteristics compared to the M340i. In the f30 gen I remember millimeter variations and slightly lower COG between models.

Originally Posted by JohnBucurE92

Looks extremely well composed on the ring despite the fact that it's not a full DNA M model. I wonder if it will have improved characteristics compared to the M340i. In the f30 gen I remember millimeter variations and slightly lower COG between models.

It should be lower. M340i has too high ride height

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

There was nothing 3GT about the 4GC in the F series; what makes you think the G will be any different?

To me, the spy video and the EV show the new GC to be the existing 4 coupe with doors where the body panels are, same exact design concept as the F36.

The suggestion was that in the absence of the GT, the G generation GC will improve it's interior package to compensate for the loss of that model. The new coupe is 5.3" longer than the F platform, so I deduce intention to improve interior space. Of course, they will strive not to lose exterior design acceptance. We will soon see how well they strike that balance. I have two tests....1) sit behind myself, and 2) bike fits in the cargo area with folded seats.

These aren't exactly to scale, but when I look at the softer roofline shape and backlight touchdown, I am sensing much more space and room to increase the rear seat couple in the GC than the Coupe. The taller roofline height further back in the vehicle will also enhance cargo room. Look at the difference directly above the rear axle.

[Maverik259]

Still don't understand the point of these. They look awkward AF. If you want a sedan just buy a 3...

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Still don't understand the point of these. They look awkward AF. If you want a sedan just buy a 3...

hatchback, more rear legroom due to longer wheel base

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Still don't understand the point of these. They look awkward AF. If you want a sedan just buy a 3...

The 3 sedan is limited by a traditional trunk. For a segment of us, the functionality and versatility of the liftgate far outweighs the importance of exterior design, although I see nothing awkward about this design. Form follows function. Turn the notchier 3 sedan roofline into a liftgate with the backlight and decklid rising together and that would probably be OK if the GC didn't also exist. The roofline slope of the GC might allow some larger items to just fit better. I don't ever see myself buying anything with a traditional trunk again. And, no, I don't prefer a tall SUV. I might have preferred a station wagon, but BMWNA eliminated that option for us.

[435GranC]

For me it was about the hatchback option as the wagon didn't offer the 6 cylinder. Been able to fit some obnoxiously large items in the vehicle when compared to my previous sedan with the trunk pass through obstacle.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The suggestion was that in the absence of the GT, the G generation GC will improve it's interior package to compensate for the loss of that model. The new coupe is 5.3" longer than the F platform, so I deduce intention to improve interior space.

These aren't exactly to scale, but when I look at the softer roofline shape and backlight touchdown, I am sensing much more space and room to increase the rear seat couple in the GC than the Coupe. The taller roofline height further back in the vehicle will also enhance cargo room. Look at the difference directly above the rear axle.

I agree this car will have more interior space than the F36, but I don't believe we should be expecting a LWB version of this
platform (AKA GT) being used for the Gran Coupe.
As toddwalton stated, I too don't see anything 'GT' about this car's length. Clearly, they've raised the rear part of the roofline
for more backseat interior room, and it may even be wider back there for rear passengers.
But I think that and the increased size over the F platform are about it.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Still don't understand the point of these. They look awkward AF. If you want a sedan just buy a 3...

You must be confused. There is nothing awkward about the 4 Series Gran Coupe, it's a lower/wider/sexier Sedan.

The one that looked awkward was the Gran Touring, a different vehicle, part of the 3 Series.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The 3 sedan is limited by a traditional trunk. For a segment of us, the functionality and versatility of the liftgate far outweighs the importance of exterior design, although I see nothing awkward about this design.

Compared to the 3 Sedan, the 4 Gran Coupe is merely a lower/wider/sexier version of the same car. BMW smartly made the liftback look like a trunk- I used to get a ton of dropped jaws when people saw the whole back of the car open up to reveal the extra space.

I loved mine. Coupe for dad, small rear doors for my small kids, and the versatility of a liftback for sports equipment. Best of all worlds. Not a sedan, not an SUV, not a turtleback. Just a great car. When I'm done with my F33 I'll probably be back in one.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by RichReg

I agree this car will have more interior space than the F36, but I don't believe we should be expecting a LWB version of this
platform (AKA GT) being used for the Gran Coupe.
As toddwalton stated, I too don't see anything 'GT' about this car's length. Clearly, they've raised the rear part of the roofline
for more backseat interior room, and it may even be wider back there for rear passengers.
But I think that and the increased size over the F platform are about it.

We may be caught up in semantics here. You are correct that there is no evidence of a LWB version of the G platform to directly replicate the GT from the F platform. The GT model is gone from the line-up because there were not enough people like me who appreciates what it offers. However, by lengthening the base coupe in the G program versus the F, creating a larger vehicle, BMW has already achieved a compromise to preserve design and add more interior room that distinguished the GT. That point was the original intent of my prior comment.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

The one that looked awkward was the Gran Touring, a different vehicle, part of the 3 Series.

"Who ya callin' awkward, young man?" Actually, for a halfway step from conventional passenger car to taller CUV, I still think they did a nice job. Check out the X4 or X6 if you want to see an awkward turtle rolling down the road!

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

You are correct that there is no evidence of a LWB version of the G platform to directly replicate the GT from the F platform. The GT model is gone from the line-up because there were not enough people like me who appreciates what it offers. However, by lengthening the base coupe in the G program versus the F, creating a larger vehicle, BMW has already achieved a compromise to preserve design and add more interior room that distinguished the GT.

Agreed.
Just wanted to make it clear that the wheelbase will likely be the same for all of these cars: the G20/G22/G26,.. just as it was for F30/F32/F36.
So while there may be more interior space with a longer vehicle, it may not be as much as one could expect if it were the LWB version.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Compared to the 3 Sedan, the 4 Gran Coupe is merely a lower/wider/sexier version of the same car. BMW smartly made the liftback look like a trunk- I used to get a ton of dropped jaws when people saw the whole back of the car open up to reveal the extra space.

I loved mine. Coupe for dad, small rear doors for my small kids, and the versatility of a liftback for sports equipment. Best of all worlds. Not a sedan, not an SUV, not a turtleback. Just a great car. When I'm done with my F33 I'll probably be back in one.

But due to the short wheelbase, the F36 is heavily compromised in rear passenger room, something that cannot be said of the F34.

Now, back the the G-code chassis. You (or the thread) seem to imply that the G26 will have the same wheelbase as the G22/G20 ( 2,851 mm (112.2 in)), whereas I believe it is pretty certain at this point that the G26 will be on the long wheelbase (3er LWB/i4) platform (2,993 mm (117.8 in) for the i4 according to Wikipedia, though not sure where they have that data from). Due to that, it will look a bit more like a compromise between an F36 and an F34 I'm afraid, but let's see once they reveal it (in 4-6 weeks, probably).

[madpistol]

My Dad has an F36 4 GC, and I love the way it looks on the outside. It's extremely sleek and svelte. I'm actually looking forward to the G26 GC. If my M340i continues to be nice as it is, this "might" be my next car in a few years.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by mbanck

You (or the thread) seem to imply that the G26 will have the same wheelbase as the G22/G20 (2,851 mm (112.2 in)), whereas I believe it is pretty certain at this point that the G26 will be on the long wheelbase (3er LWB/i4) platform (2,993 mm (117.8 in) for the i4 according to Wikipedia, though not sure where they have that data from). Due to that, it will look a bit more like a compromise between an F36 and an F34 I'm afraid, but let's see once they reveal it (in 4-6 weeks, probably).

Interesting.
Although I really wouldn't trust Wikipedia as an absolute confirmed source, I did just happen to notice
that some of BMW's websites introducing the i4 are very specifically referencing :

"A low roofline, long wheelbase, and short overhangs create an elegant profile".
"A long wheelbase with short overhangs and a smooth roofline will define the sporty-elegant shape of the BMW Gran Coupé".
https://www.bmwusa.com/future-vehicl...c-vehicle.html
https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/...26-BEVE-E.html

I'd sure like nothing better than that!
Would be nice if they were clearer on this..; but in any event:
If that IS the case, I'll be expecting a pretty penny price increase over both the 3 Sedan & the 4 Coupe.

[madpistol]

Cool, but what does this have to do with the G26 4 Gran Coupe?