[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

GC while having 4 doors doesn't have that much rear passenger room trying to be a 4 door and coupe at the same time. It has a long bonnet and they try to put the engine further back to get to 50/50 weight distribution but losing some passenger space/creature comfort in the process. I liked the old GC better felt wider than the 3 series and still handled like a smaller car.

This literally adds zero value to the issues posed. But thanks anyway, I guess. And the GC has much more room for rear seats than the coupe. An adult can sit behind me in the GC. No one can sit behind me in the coupe.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

I agree with everything u said but u r not comparing the same. I am comparing a M440i coupe to a M440i GC. My experience was that the coupe was significantly more
Fun than the GC. More exciting. Louder. Meaner. Made me smile and laugh fun. The GC felt like something a couple would
Enjoy driving to the country club.

You are exactly right, in fact you are describing the BMW mission statements for both cars.

It’s a matter of whether or not you want to grow up. I don’t mean that in a negative or condescending way, mind you, but that’s the decision you face. Eventually we all change from 25 year olds looking for red light races and video game engine sounds to 50 year old fathers looking for luxury and comfort. BMW offers many vehicles to choose from, M2 if you want to pretend you’re a teenager in your E46 to a living-room plush 760i.

So, pick who you want to be. That’s the hard part. The car decision then is easy.

[wdc330i]

You might start thinking about an M3–used or new, depending on your budget…I really enjoy my GC, but I have also already owned an M3 and was ready to have a sporty, calmer, and more comfortable ride. Plus, the practicality of the hatchback, as I have a dog and small family (albeit a tall teenager) to haul around.

Edit: Used M5s are also in the ballpark of a new 4 GC...

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

You are exactly right, in fact you are describing the BMW mission statements for both cars.

It’s a matter of whether or not you want to grow up. I don’t mean that in a negative or condescending way, mind you, but that’s the decision you face. Eventually we all change from 25 year olds looking for red light races and video game engine sounds to 50 year old fathers looking for luxury and comfort. BMW offers many vehicles to choose from, M2 if you want to pretend you’re a teenager in your E46 to a living-room plush 760i.

So, pick who you want to be. That’s the hard part. The car decision then is easy.

Thanks for the counseling session. lol. No one seems to be able to address the issue posed so I am going to close this thread. Everyone likes to talk about things they THINKS they know even though it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If people only asked three questions before speaking - does it need to be said, does it need to be said right now, does it need to be said by me. 98% of what people say wouldn’t be said. There is my counseling - for free.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Thanks for the counseling session. lol. No one seems to be able to address the issue posed so I am going to close this thread. Everyone likes to talk about things they THINKS they know even though it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If people only asked three questions before speaking - does it need to be said, does it need to be said right now, does it need to be said by me. 98% of what people say wouldn’t be said. There is my counseling - for free.

What are you looking for exactly? Please tell us. The point of a thread is to create discussion and to allow EVERYONE to give their opinion. Nothing toddwalton said was in any way disrespectful. The fact is that many people here have owned multiple BMWs and can speak to the strengths and weaknesses of each. The GC is comfortable. The M340i is more sporty. The M440i coupe, IMO, has a bit of an identity crisis because it's sort of a luxury coupe, but it's also sort of a sports car... and depending on who you ask, it looks like a Mustang. Depending on the year, the exhaust is literally DEAD with zero pops or burbles. In fact, probably most of what you're hearing is synthesized through the speakers. On top of all of this, the M240i is significantly cheaper and more fun, not to mention the M2, which is literally the same price as a loaded M440i coupe.

If you're looking for a more exciting car, an M2, M3, or M4 will tickle your fancy. Otherwise, the M440i coupe is (according to you) a compromised vehicle with not enough head/leg room. Not sure what you're attempting to accomplish.

[Matic94]

I think what you are hearing are the fake sounds in the speakers so you would need to check if ASD is on in the general settings for both cars. Because as someone who owned a 2020 and now a 2023 I can tell you right now that their isn’t any real pops and bangs from that 2023 you drove lol. This is what my 23 sounds like with AA downpipe and MPE, no pops and bangs unless you get a tune…

[X5-G05-45e]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Thanks for the counseling session. lol. No one seems to be able to address the issue posed so I am going to close this thread. Everyone likes to talk about things they THINKS they know even though it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If people only asked three questions before speaking - does it need to be said, does it need to be said right now, does it need to be said by me. 98% of what people say wouldn’t be said. There is my counseling - for free.

This maybe a stupid question but was the transmission put into sport mode for both test drives? That makes a difference on the rpm and how long it holds gears and how fast it shifts. If you are in D then just pull back on the shift lever and the dash display will change from D to S to indicate the transmission is in sport mode. Setting drive mode Sport Plus does not put the transmission into sport.

On my 2024 M440i GC it makes a big difference.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by X5-G05-45e

This maybe a stupid question but was the transmission put into sport mode for both test drives? That makes a difference on the rpm and how long it holds gears and how fast it shifts. If you are in D then just pull back on the shift lever and the dash display will change from D to S to indicate the transmission is in sport mode. Setting drive mode Sport Plus does not put the transmission into sport.

On my 2024 M440i GC it makes a big difference.

Same. If you want the sportiest setting on the M440i GC (or any M-lite model), you have to put it in Sport+, put the shifting into S, and turn traction control to Dynamic Stability Control (DSC). Doing this will unlock the most aggressive shifting, throttle response, and driving dynamics. (Obviously you can turn DSC off if you're feeling really brave)

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by X5-G05-45e

This maybe a stupid question but was the transmission put into sport mode for both test drives? That makes a difference on the rpm and how long it holds gears and how fast it shifts. If you are in D then just pull back on the shift lever and the dash display will change from D to S to indicate the transmission is in sport mode. Setting drive mode Sport Plus does not put the transmission into sport.

On my 2024 M440i GC it makes a big difference.

Interesting. But I never touched the shift lever on the coupe so both cars were apples to apples.

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by madpistol

What are you looking for exactly? Please tell us. The point of a thread is to create discussion and to allow EVERYONE to give their opinion. Nothing toddwalton said was in any way disrespectful. The fact is that many people here have owned multiple BMWs and can speak to the strengths and weaknesses of each. The GC is comfortable. The M340i is more sporty. The M440i coupe, IMO, has a bit of an identity crisis because it's sort of a luxury coupe, but it's also sort of a sports car... and depending on who you ask, it looks like a Mustang. Depending on the year, the exhaust is literally DEAD with zero pops or burbles. In fact, probably most of what you're hearing is synthesized through the speakers. On top of all of this, the M240i is significantly cheaper and more fun, not to mention the M2, which is literally the same price as a loaded M440i coupe.

If you're looking for a more exciting car, an M2, M3, or M4 will tickle your fancy. Otherwise, the M440i coupe is (according to you) a compromised vehicle with not enough head/leg room. Not sure what you're attempting to accomplish.

Gooodness gracious.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Thanks for the counseling session. lol. No one seems to be able to address the issue posed so I am going to close this thread. Everyone likes to talk about things they THINKS they know even though it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If people only asked three questions before speaking - does it need to be said, does it need to be said right now, does it need to be said by me. 98% of what people say wouldn’t be said. There is my counseling - for free.

The real issue at hand is that you want the Gran Coupe to be the Coupe and it isn’t.

And the motivation for this issue is that you realize you have growing offspring and need a 4 door for its practicality yet your inner 25 year old wants to be in a snarling blacked out coupe that makes loud sounds.

The Gran Coupe is the closest thing you’re going to find. In fact, BMW made this car just for you, it’s got the best of both worlds, sedan and coupe, practical and impractical. So buy one and deal with it’s slight shoetcomings. Put some pop sounds on your phone, or yell “pop!” every few minutes. No one wants to hear your exhaust anyway. American Graffiti was just a movie.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Gooodness gracious.

That's not an answer. If you're going to be a jerk to certain posters on this forum, expect to get it right back.

What are you looking to get out of this?

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

The real issue at hand is that you want the Gran Coupe to be the Coupe and it isn’t.

And the motivation for this issue is that you realize you have growing offspring and need a 4 door for its practicality yet your inner 25 year old wants to be in a snarling blacked out coupe that makes loud sounds.

The Gran Coupe is the closest thing you’re going to find. In fact, BMW made this car just for you, it’s got the best of both worlds, sedan and coupe, practical and impractical. So buy one and deal with it’s slight shoetcomings. Put some pop sounds on your phone, or yell “pop!” every few minutes. No one wants to hear your exhaust anyway. American Graffiti was just a movie.

U sir can get off ur high horse and go …….

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by Matic94

I think what you are hearing are the fake sounds in the speakers so you would need to check if ASD is on in the general settings for both cars. Because as someone who owned a 2020 and now a 2023 I can tell you right now that their isn’t any real pops and bangs from that 2023 you drove lol. This is what my 23 sounds like with AA downpipe and MPE, no pops and bangs unless you get a tune…

Interesting. As I heard a coupe with the m performance exhaust and it gurgled and popped plenty outside the car. Sounds like (literally) u did the wrong mod. lol.

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

The real issue at hand is that you want the Gran Coupe to be the Coupe and it isn’t.

And the motivation for this issue is that you realize you have growing offspring and need a 4 door for its practicality yet your inner 25 year old wants to be in a snarling blacked out coupe that makes loud sounds.

The Gran Coupe is the closest thing you’re going to find. In fact, BMW made this car just for you, it’s got the best of both worlds, sedan and coupe, practical and impractical. So buy one and deal with it’s slight shoetcomings. Put some pop sounds on your phone, or yell “pop!” every few minutes. No one wants to hear your exhaust anyway. American Graffiti was just a movie.

Well my 12 year old keeps saying “Hellcat”. Maybe he is right.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Well my 12 year old keeps saying “Hellcat”. Maybe he is right.

You are going to buy the Gran Coupe. It’s inevitable. So stop the put downs and the wishing for things that it isn’t and instead start talking about the positives. Because it’s your next car. And you’re going to love it.

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

You are going to buy the Gran Coupe. It’s inevitable. So stop the put downs and the wishing for things that it isn’t and instead start talking about the positives. Because it’s your next car. And you’re going to love it.

Well the M340i is even more fun and meets all the same ‘responsible’ criteria’. Do same things to it I was going to do to GC and it’s pretty impressive - side skirts, front spoiler, downpipe, little more pronounced rear spoiler. 12mm spacers for wheels. Fun car.

[wdc330i]

If you love the coupe, buy the coupe. As long as you have access to another larger car in the family? I did fine with a dog and a kid with both my M3 convertible and my M240i convertible. Both were, obviously, two-door cars. It isn't perfect, but they are all four seaters...Caveat being, we also had a 5 wagon and then an X5 in the family.

BTW, the rear doors in the GC are actually a little shorter than on the 3 series sedan, so a little tricky for the big guys to get in and out of.

[wdc330i]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Well the M340i is even more fun and meets all the same ‘responsible’ criteria’. Do same things to it I was going to do to GC and it’s pretty impressive - side skirts, front spoiler, downpipe, little more pronounced rear spoiler. 12mm spacers for wheels. Fun car.

Yep. M340 sedan is a great other choice. All the BMWs in this range compromise something to get something else. They are sporty cars. not sports cars.

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by wdc330i

If you love the coupe, buy the coupe. As long as you have access to another larger car in the family? I did fine with a dog and a kid with both my M3 convertible and my M240i convertible. Both were, obviously, two-door cars. It isn't perfect, but they are all four seaters...Caveat being, we also had a 5 wagon and then an X5 in the family.

BTW, the rear doors in the GC are actually a little shorter than on the 3 series sedan, so a little tricky for the big guys to get in and out of.

Have a 2007 Tahoe that is in amazing condition. Its not going anywhere. Which is why I have so many options. The M340i (or even an M2) would work. A slightly modded m340i (skirts, front and rear spoiler) changes it from an accord look alike to something special.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by JohnWickFan

Well the M340i is even more fun and meets all the same ‘responsible’ criteria’. Do same things to it I was going to do to GC and it’s pretty impressive - side skirts, front spoiler, downpipe, little more pronounced rear spoiler. 12mm spacers for wheels. Fun car.

Perfect! Can’t go wrong with the do-everything family sports sedan.

[JohnWickFan]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Perfect! Can’t go wrong with the do-everything family sports sedan.

Except I fully expect it to get the new grills in 2025. Which I actually like. The M3 already had them.