[bjcarls]

"The aim of the collaboration..." That's all you need to know, I'd bet very little comes of this.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

What does that even mean?

Basing an argument around a false premise.


Your false premise is that people don't want EV's. That's not true. People want EV's just at a different price point. This doesn't mean ALL customers want an EV but there's a chunk of market share which does want an EV and BMW sales numbers point that out.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

Must be nice to live in your fantasy world. In the town I grew up in, $100k would be considered rich. And most can't even afford to have the wiring and plug installed in their garage for an EV, much less being able to afford an EV at all.

But that's what the elitists want anyway, destroy the middle class and nothing is left but the rulers and the poor. It seems like something like that happened in another country far away a long time ago.

Unless you live in California… he’s kinda right in that sense. California nowadays you literally can’t afford crap making 100k-120k, so he’s not that far off. (Especially when almost every house is close to a 1 mill )

And you are definitely right about the middle class being destroyed.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

What do you mean electric is clearly way beyong anything ICE has to offer [non-performance cars]? Just looking to understand your viewpoint

He’s trying to say that EV is way ahead of hybrid cars when it comes down to performance or sports cars.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Game

Can’t speak for other brands, but BMW EV’s are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away. All models.

I can confirm BMW EV's are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away in Vancouver, Canada. I never come across with BMW Canada offer that low lease interest rate (1.99%)

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

I can confirm BMW EV's are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away in Vancouver, Canada. I never come across with BMW Canada offer that low lease interest rate (1.99%)

It’s everywhere! Look at Mercedes Benz with their EVs; did you see what crazy deals they were giving on their EVs these past few months?! Looks like the EV world has really slowed down in the sense of sales.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by VANOS

Unless you live in California… he’s kinda right in that sense. California nowadays you literally can’t afford crap making 100k-120k, so he’s not that far off. (Especially when almost every house is close to a 1 mill )

And you are definitely right about the middle class being destroyed.

I did live out there. A co-worker got transferred to OH and sold his house for $1.1 mil, and that was in a small town, commuted 45 miles to work. Bought a bigger, nicer house in OH for $300k. And that's why I left, no way was I ever going to own anything but a shack in silicon valley.

Barely half the people in CA own vs 70-80% in some states.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Interesting you think poor starts at a family income less than $300k, and no one below that buys BMWs.

What starts at $300k, middle class?

Interesting you are still talking out of your @$&; Come and try to buy a house in CA genius LOLL. Nowadays there is no such thing as middle class, since we have an idiot of a president (which you can relate to) and certain state governments (like dumbass newsom) eff’d that up for us normal folk.

So ya, anything below 150k doesn’t buy you even a decent sized house, but a damn shack.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

Agreed, imagine being so blinded by EV junk that you think Toyota who has the lowest MDS (market days supply) of any manufacturer and just launched another vehicle last night that will have year+ waitlists (to join other year+ long wait list cars) is in a “catch up mode” position.


Meanwhile, my wife got fed up with her EV and shopped it to a few local dealers and the used car manager at Honda said “we honestly don’t want the car so I can’t even give you a number, EV’s don’t sell and I don’t want them on my lot”. If we tried to sell our RAV4 Prime, I would have them falling all over themselves trying to give me their best offer.

Clearly Toyota is doing something wrong here.

In the EV world, yes they are playing catch up as well as many other brands like Mercedes Benz. The only EV car Toyota has is the ugly bZ4X, that’s it! (I wasn’t talking about hybrids dude). Instead of a Toyota, I personally would rather go with a regular ICE Honda, than to any Toyota (no offense).

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Maybe your AC isn’t adding anything to your bill either. Did you check?

Again, talking out of your @$&; Do you even own an EV? If so, you would know it costs almost nothing to charge those cars at your house, even at a charging station it costs like nothing (15-25 bucks for a full charge) when comparing to gas. Understand genius?

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

lol, believe whatever you wish my dude.

Ignore, he’s just talking out of his rear.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Interesting you think poor starts at a family income less than $300k, and no one below that buys BMWs.

What starts at $300k, middle class?

In my neck of the woods that $300k a year is solidly middle class. Everyone is an engineer at Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Boeing, etc. I have a cheap middle class home that would sell for $750k in a middle class suburb. If I lived in Redmond, Kirkland or Bellevue then my house would be $1.2 million. Because we only had a $340k income, we had to move 30 miles further out.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by VANOS

You are about the dumbest person I’ve met on these forums that doesn’t have a single clue about cars. What on earth are you talking about?… Stay away from drugs kid.

I’ll go toe to toe with anyone, any day, and gladly admit a topic on which I’m not comfortable speaking.

Look back at your post on page one, for some reason you judge Toyota’s merit in EV strategy based on them contracting BMW to build a gas sports car? Um, ok. I’m not seeing brilliance in that move.

Kid? I’ll take that as a compliment based on my youthful energy here. Not too many times a grey hair dude gets called a kid! Thanks man!

[Scrapula]

https://apple.news/Ae8foY-2UT6SZ9qsI8r_vUg

Nice story on BMW’s EV surge.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by VANOS

Interesting you are still talking out of your @$&; Come and try to buy a house in CA genius LOLL. Nowadays there is no such thing as middle class, since we have an idiot of a president (which you can relate to) and certain state governments (like dumbass newsom) eff’d that up for us normal folk.

So ya, anything below 150k doesn’t buy you even a decent sized house, but a damn shack.

I don’t live in California. In fact, most people don’t.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by VANOS

Ignore, he’s just talking out of his rear.

I’m talking out of my rear, but you’re the one getting free electricity? And in California of all places?!?

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

In my neck of the woods that $300k a year is solidly middle class. Everyone is an engineer at Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Boeing, etc. I have a cheap middle class home that would sell for $750k in a middle class suburb. If I lived in Redmond, Kirkland or Bellevue then my house would be $1.2 million. Because we only had a $340k income, we had to move 30 miles further out.

Definitely regional arguments to be made, no disagreement there. But I think BMW’s sales would suffer greatly if no one below $300k family earnings bought them.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

I can confirm BMW EV's are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away in Vancouver, Canada. I never come across with BMW Canada offer that low lease interest rate (1.99%)

Those lease deals reflect the design and not the technology behind them.
Same as Merc. Merc vehicles these days look like Israeli night clubs inside.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I’m talking out of my rear, but you’re the one getting free electricity? And in California of all places?!?

Nah, you're just another rude ass canuck.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I’ll go toe to toe with anyone, any day, and gladly admit a topic on which I’m not comfortable speaking.

Look back at your post on page one, for some reason you judge Toyota’s merit in EV strategy based on them contracting BMW to build a gas sports car? Um, ok. I’m not seeing brilliance in that move.

Kid? I’ll take that as a compliment based on my youthful energy here. Not too many times a grey hair dude gets called a kid! Thanks man!

Loll very happy for you, good job! 👍

Just because I mentioned how Toyota turns to bmw to build them a sports car you took that as something completely different! Was trying to make a point that they can’t make a proper gas or EV car 😉 (the only tech they know is hybrid ) I mean they do only have ONE EV and it’s absolute garbage. And once again they did turn to bmw for their Supra, so what does that tell you genius.

Kid you have absolutely no brain cells, in fact you’re pretty dumb for taking that as a compliment. Only proves that you are still a virgin with nothing better to do than to TRY to troll people and feel significant about themselves. Do you feel like a big boy now? Feel good about yourself little one? Sounds like someone needs a nap

Lmao youthful energy 😂

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I don’t live in California. In fact, most people don’t.

And that is why you are talking out of your rear.

[VANOS]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I’m talking out of my rear, but you’re the one getting free electricity? And in California of all places?!?

Lmao ok you are now talking too much and need to let the real men talk little kid

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by VANOS

He’s trying to say that EV is way ahead of hybrid cars when it comes down to performance or sports cars.

True. But didn’t BMW suggest a true M car with hybrid tech a few years back? I keep waiting for that sad announcement.