[Phippsy81]

Originally Posted by PBJ

THANK YOU! How cheap did they really need to be to drop one hook from their build???

In all honesty, the G20 feels like a cheaper made car than the F30 all around

I don't agree with that in the slightest! IMO the finish and build quality is better than my old F32.
coming from a 435d to a 330i, the G20 it's better in pretty much every way other than power :

All about personal opinion though

[Rocket455]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Just use voice control and it's on/off so easy and quickly

Whhhaaaa....? I did not know that! Still doesn't substitute a physical button, but I will be trying this out. Thanks!

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Rocket455

Whhhaaaa....? I did not know that! Still doesn't substitute a physical button, but I will be trying this out. Thanks!

I've gotten so use to using the voice command for it, I never really think of the lack of a button ever anymore.

[Gdiddy23]

Originally Posted by Phippsy81

I don't agree with that in the slightest! IMO the finish and build quality is better than my old F32.
coming from a 435d to a 330i, the G20 it's better in pretty much every way other than power :

All about personal opinion though

My G20 feels way better put together than my F30 335i. I had one of the last made 335's and while I really enjoyed that car, I feel the G20 is a major upgrade in pretty much every way.

The biggest annoyance I've had so far is some slight sunroof rattling after cold weather. These things are almost to be expected with a 1st year vehicle though

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Xenons produce a light sources that emits more than 2000 lumens. Under ECE rules, anything over 2,000 lumens require headlight washers and levelers, since at such high lumen output, dirt causes glare/diffraction of light in unwanted directions. It has nothing to do with snow but with dirt.

LED headlights are not required to have washers as the total light output of LEDs fall below 2000 lumens.

Since all new car now all LEDs, they fall under the requirement threshold for not requiring headlight washers, so companies no longer add them, not just BMW.

Pick a random car on the road, dealer's choice, US or ECU - spec, with LED equipped headlights; you'll notice none have headlight washers. That's not just a coincidence.

Bingo.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by RedKloud

I think I'm the only one who liked the old stalk .

I like the quirky bmw turn signal stalk too. I got used to it so now normal turn signals feel strange.

[Fraggy]

Originally Posted by RedKloud

I miss the physical A/C button.

I didn't even notice, now I wish it was there. I always leave the AC on, winter or summer, I like the dry air.

[hpetric]

Oil temperature gauge.

[NoSUV4Me]

Originally Posted by hpetric

Oil temperature gauge.

"Hey BMW, what's the oil temperature"

[Sergeant Skinner]

Originally Posted by Phippsy81

I don't agree with that in the slightest! IMO the finish and build quality is better than my old F32.
coming from a 435d to a 330i, the G20 it's better in pretty much every way other than power :

All about personal opinion though

I get what you mean. And don't get me wrong, the G20 is a wonderful place to be (that's why I bought it and sold my F30 LCI) but I am a bit surprised at some "material design choices" shall we say?

Btw, I too do think I'm a little crazy for saying this!

[Sherweeeny]

Originally Posted by PBJ

I get what you mean. And don't get me wrong, the G20 is a wonderful place to be (that's why I bought it and sold my F30 LCI) but I am a bit surprised at some "material design choices" shall we say?

Btw, I too do think I'm a little crazy for saying this!

mate i actually agree with you. when you look at them super closely, you can see where theyve cut corners but boy have they sorted the vague steering from the F30s! my lease is up this month and usually id be busting at the seams to get into the new one (ive had 3 f30s since 2012) but im really struggling to find the motivation to do it. I think it has to do with our regions move to AWD only too though.

sigh

[Sergeant Skinner]

Originally Posted by Sherweeeny

mate i actually agree with you. when you look at them super closely, you can see where theyve cut corners but boy have they sorted the vague steering from the F30s! my lease is up this month and usually id be busting at the seams to get into the new one (ive had 3 f30s since 2012) but im really struggling to find the motivation to do it. I think it has to do with our regions move to AWD only too though.

sigh

Yes, thank you!!

On your 2nd point... It's my first AWD Bimmer and, after much skepticism, I can honestly say it's a great feature to have. My old F30 340i with MPSK couldn't put the power down all that well but the M340i just pulls even in the wet! It's amazing how point-and-shoot the car is now. A purist would still prefer RWD, but I'm not a good enough driver to miss it

Take the plunge! There's more to love about the G20 than not, by a large margin!

[Sherweeeny]

Originally Posted by PBJ

Yes, thank you!!

On your 2nd point... It's my first AWD Bimmer and, after much skepticism, I can honestly say it's a great feature to have. My old F30 340i with MPSK couldn't put the power down all that well but the M340i just pulls even in the wet! It's amazing how point-and-shoot the car is now. A purist would still prefer RWD, but I'm not a good enough driver to miss it

Take the plunge! There's more to love about the G20 than not, by a large margin!

are you able to still able to do the sneaky tail out around corners? also, do you miss the old indicator stalk? also i use the A/C on off button a lot- do you find this annoying? oh god im getting anxiety

another difference i noticed is that with the new system, reciting an address barely works whereas the older one understands you 90% of the time. this was something that really surprised me.

but yeah i think i will take the plunge mate - just waiting to see how they ruin the front end of the m3 so i know for sure the 340 is for me again haha

[anthon.a]

I'm about the replace my LCI 340 with a new M340...

I also find the "one large touch button" cheap feeling compared to the interior of my 2017. ...

Having young children, i really like the sunshades...

The new 2017+ models don't have passenger dimming mirrors (sucks) even in the order guide it still says "exterior dimming mirrors" - and i noticed from the 2013 to 2017 dimming does not work as well...

I will tint the windows on the M340 to help...

[anthon.a]

Tell me Guys with the new 2020... does it remember????

My 2011, 2013 and 2017 does not remmeber many things when I turn it off for a few minutes (heated steering wheel, heated seats, sport/confort mode, auto high beams) and probably more i have not noticed.... its quite annoying (especially the sport/comfort setting) ...

I feel light a pilot that has to run a check list everytime i get in the car (especially in the winter) ... where as my A3 2009, A7 2013 and S5 2018 all remember these simple things.... (ok, to be fare on the a3 the heated seats where a dial haha)

[Gdiddy23]

It will remember it for like 5-10 minutes I believe.

Also, you can change the settings to have heated seats/steering wheel auto turn on at a certain temp.

[anthon.a]

Originally Posted by Gdiddy23

It will remember it for like 5-10 minutes I believe.

Also, you can change the settings to have heated seats/steering wheel auto turn on at a certain temp.

The 2017 (and 2013) also remember settings for a few minutes... I just wish we could set it to a few hours...

Nice, if we can program it depending out outside temp its event better!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by anthon.a

The 2017 (and 2013) also remember settings for a few minutes... I just wish we could set it to a few hours...

Nice, if we can program it depending out outside temp its event better!

This and a lot more "memory" features can be changed via coding on the F-Series.

My heated seats and steering wheel retains memory for 24 hours.

However, Sport+ cannon be coded to memory because of liability reasons, since it partially disables the traction control.

[anthon.a]

Originally Posted by Poochie

This and a lot more "memory" features can be changed via coding on the F-Series.

My heated seats and steering wheel retains memory for 24 hours.

However, Sport+ cannon be coded to memory because of liability reasons, since it partially disables the traction control.

Do they know if we make changes to code? could it impact warranty?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by anthon.a

Do they know if we make changes to code? could it impact warranty?

No, there are predetermined parameters already available for changing the memory settings.

Here is what the coding option looks like for changing the heating steering wheel heated memory, on an F-Series BMW:

[Sergeant Skinner]

Originally Posted by anthon.a

I also find the "one large touch button" cheap feeling compared to the interior of my 2017. ...

Having young children, i really like the sunshades...

I forgot to mention these two points but I agree that they are surprising issues.

The one large button thing is so counterintuitive, I press the parking assistant button 2-3 times before it responds and it just doesn't have the same tactile sensory feel as individual buttons.

And the sunshades completely confuse me as to why they didn't even bother to offer it as an option. I really miss this from my F30. Then again I'm also glad I don't hear someone in my backseat trying to roll down the shade and being caught off guard by the spring loaded function and it snapping closed really loudly

[redcars]

The buttons are flat. I find it hard to know which one my finger is on. Are they the cheaper membrane type? They don't feel like mechanical, spring loaded buttons.