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      05-22-2018, 02:31 AM   #1
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G80 M3 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

What do you think? Elon is aiming at the M3 with the P Model 3.

Intriguing or not? That electric torque is hard to beat.

I for one prefer the steering feedback and linear throttle of the old NA cars but you can’t even get that in a BMW these days. So I guess electric is the future.
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      05-22-2018, 12:25 PM   #2
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Very intriguing when comparing what direction Tesla and BMW are going with the cars. People say they would never buy an electric vehicle cuz of the lack of sound and no manual transmission.

For me:

1. I'd rather have no sound than the garbage (and fake) noise the twin turbo inline 6's BMW is putting out.

2. We're not even sure the G8X will be available with a true manual transmission.

3. I don't track my car so the battery overheating on a track is a moot point for me. Plus, I already have a manual E92 M3 if I really wanted to have fun on a track.

This is just me, though. Your situation may be different.
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Tesla will need to make the styling much more atractive and find some way to set the car apart visualy from the everyday version.
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Very intriguing when compared to what direction Tesla and BMW are going with the cars. People say they would never buy an electric vehicle cuz of the lack of sound and no manual transmission.

For me:

1. I'd rather have no sound than the garbage (and fake) noise the twin turbo inline 6's BMW is putting out.
I disagree with your claims about how it sounds.

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3. I don't track my car so the battery overheating on a track is a moot point for me. Plus, I already have a manual E92 M3 if I really wanted to have fun on a track.
F80 is also a beast on the track, hope you get a chance to properly test it one day.

That said, Tesla says their Model 3 Performance will do 3.5s to 60 which may put the G80 M3 to shame. That will definitely take a lot more customers away from Audi, Merc and BMW.
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That said, Tesla says their Model 3 Performance will do 3.5s to 60 which may put the G80 M3 to shame. That will definitely take a lot more customers away from Audi, Merc and BMW.
Not sure about that. People like nice interiors. Tesla's interiors are equivalent to Hyundai's and Kia's. Sure you'll get the non-car tech nerd that will be amazed by the Model 3 but real car people won't go there.
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F80 is also a beast on the track, hope you get a chance to properly test it one day.

That said, Tesla says their Model 3 Performance will do 3.5s to 60 which may put the G80 M3 to shame. That will definitely take a lot more customers away from Audi, Merc and BMW.
Just like any electic tool, great perf when battery is fully charged, potentially it happens for few miles if you track. This comparison of Tesla and M3 is a joke!
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      06-02-2018, 07:39 PM   #7
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Just like any electic tool, great perf when battery is fully charged, potentially it happens for few miles if you track. This comparison of Tesla and M3 is a joke!
In real world scenarios, the Teslas dominate, and Youtube has plenty of vids... regardless of charge. I'm not making the point for a Tesla on the track because that's a different story and not where the car is intended to shine.
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The M3 is an aural and visceral experience. The Tesla is quiet and calming - like a cup of chamomile tea in the library.
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The M3 is an aural and visceral experience. The Tesla is quiet and calming - like a cup chamomile tea in the library.
A cup of chamomile tea in the library that will leave a cocaine injected redbull on ice and in the dust.
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The M3 is an aural and visceral experience. The Tesla is quiet and calming - like a cup chamomile tea in the library.
A cup of chamomile tea in the library that will leave a cocaine injected redbull on ice and in the dust.
It's gotta be rock n roll for me - plus way too long since I've come across a hot librarian.
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I disagree with your claims about how it sounds.
I don't want to get in a pissing match, but the S55 exhaust note has been widely criticized. The S65, OTOH, is widely considered to have a better exhaust note.

Of course, this is all subjective. If you think the F80 M3 has a good exhaust note, then that's all that matters.
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The Tesla 'performance' will be another Tesla piece of crap, likely built in the outdoor tent that even China and Malaysia won't try.

I could care less if it does 0-60 in 1 second. Who is going to try to carve up a mountain road in a heavy car that will overheat quickly?

Car and Driver already tried to run a P100D in their Lightning Lap test. It had the slowest lap of all the cars they've tested. They could not complete a single lap without it having to reduce power to avoid breaking.

Not everyone tracks their cars, I get it, but I presume people who buy M cars still enjoy mountain roads.

It is likely a better competitor for the 340i
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Motor Trend just did a very quick review on the new Tesla Model 3 Performance:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...rmance-review/

Starts at $64,000 USD, but it does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Comes with 450hp and 471tq. Not too shabby!
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Motor Trend just did a very quick review on the new Tesla Model 3 Performance:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...rmance-review/

Starts at $64,000 USD, but it does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Comes with 450hp and 471tq. Not too shabby!

tesla schmesla
i wont buy a car i cant take on a road trip
0-60 is great but what about 0-500 miles?

i have only ever seen 1 tesla owner drive like he stole it. but i see that kind of driving far more from real sports cars.
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      07-26-2018, 11:35 PM   #15
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^ Does not matter 0-60, it's about higher end speed and track handling.

Tesla needs to fix all the problems mentioned here:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...reported.html/

Some of the problems may require redesign of the car.
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^ Does not matter 0-60, it's about higher end speed and track handling.

Tesla needs to fix all the problems mentioned here:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...reported.html/

Some of the problems may require redesign of the car.
Early reviews indicate that handling is actually very impressive. Considering they have so much of the mass at an extremely low center of gravity, I don't have a problem believing the car handles well.

Here's Motor Trend's initial impressions:

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Let me explain something you're not going to believe, but trust me on this. After having driven and tested perhaps 7,000 vehicles, sometimes I don't need to drive very far to get the idea.

Remember that freeway onramp we "missed" before Nelson took the wheel? It's a sweet 700-foot short-chute that whips into a right-hander I know very well, and I wasn't going to simply wait for the next freeway entry. "Hang on," I'd told everybody, whipping a U-turn and stamping the accelerator. Even with four aboard, the Model 3 DMP surged ahead so startlingly that it stopped conversation. Except maybe for an uttered "Oh my god." I braked pretty hard and arched up the on-ramp toward the freeway. It was a flourish more akin to swiping a navigation route on your phone than driving a car on the actual road. Carol might have been upside down by the time I backed off.

In maybe 120 wheel revolutions, a high-performance hierarchy has been rattled. The European marques perennially atop the sport sedan podium are about to have trapdoors release beneath them.
If they can fix the build quality issues, this could be a really fun car.
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tesla schmesla
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0-60 is great but what about 0-500 miles?

i have only ever seen 1 tesla owner drive like he stole it. but i see that kind of driving far more from real sports cars.
Why wouldn't you be able to do a 500 mile road trip in a Model 3? The computer helps you plan your route in order to incorporate the use of supercharging stations. Show me an M3 with 500 mile range tank. You'll need to find at least 1 gas station on that 500 mile trip also.
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Why wouldn't you be able to do a 500 mile road trip in a Model 3? The computer helps you plan your route in order to incorporate the use of supercharging stations. Show me an M3 with 500 mile range tank. You'll need to find at least 1 gas station on that 500 mile trip also.
I think the whole rhetoric against Tesla by saying they need a car that can go on a road trip is stupid. Most people drive their cars 30 miles a day and rarely drive more than 100 miles between parking in their garage.

However, going on a road trip in a Tesla severely limits your options. The charge time is long, you have to find a place to plug in once you get where you're going, the supercharging network is hardly ubiquitous enough to go anywhere, and you definitely cannot be taking the most optimal routes or stopping anywhere you want. You have to stop where the supercharger are which wastes even more time than stopping where you want to stop and filling up at the gas station that is inevitably at pretty much every rest stop and tourist attraction you'll go to.
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So 500 mile trip can be done. Just a question of whether someone would want to deal with the inconveniences you listed.

Worst case scenario: You need to leave town on a moment's notice and you don't know how long you'll be away. Then I'd think a BEV at this point would not be my preferred choice vs. an ICE vehicle. Too many unknowns in your trip plan.

But really, how often does this happen for anyone? BEV is good for, like you said, avg 30 mile trips. I wouldn't give up the instant torque, zero emissions, etc. for the peace of mind that I'd have a car ready that would help me run from the law as a fugitive one day
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How long can a Tesla put out full power around a track? 20 minutes, 10 minutes, 40? Genuinely I'm not sure and curious...
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How long can a Tesla put out full power around a track? 20 minutes, 10 minutes, 40? Genuinely I'm not sure and curious...
Maybe 10 minutes max - based upon my anecdotal observations on a track day. A P90D was there (I was in my 2015 F80 in the same run group).

For the first lap or two - it did pretty good (one of the slower cars in the group - but no way of knowing how much of that was limited to the driver vs. car or any proportionate combination of the two). After a couple of laps - the car was WAY slower than even the next slowest car in the group. It then had to charge for the entire next session - and I did not see it return for the rest of the track day.

I think the day is coming where the pure electric cars of tomorrow (at least the performance-oriented electric cars) will have the endurance and stamina of today's best ICE cars, but with even more performance. I just think it's going to be at least another 5-10 years until that might happen...
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At least the M3's bumpers don't fall off after getting wet.
https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-of...nut-1828306917
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