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      08-16-2018, 07:52 PM   #23
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R&T track test

See recent review from R&T. Model 3 performance has an enhanced cooling system - you can run it on full power for ~4 laps on this track, and then it reduces power a little and gradually. Very different and far superior to the P90/100D.

So not quite there yet, but great progress. The days where performance EVs dominate tracks may not be so far away after all.

Maybe BMW will have an all electric M3 (or i8M) in the next few years. I certainly hope so for their sake. Otherwise Model 3 and Taycan will own this market.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ce-track-test/
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      08-17-2018, 05:45 PM   #24
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At least the M3's bumpers don't fall off after getting wet.
https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-of...nut-1828306917

I'd rather have a crappy bumper vs. a crappy EGR cooler
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      08-18-2018, 04:26 AM   #25
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I'd rather have a crappy bumper vs. a crappy EGR cooler
EGR issue is for diesels, so your comment makes no sense and the BMW referenced here is an M3

Personally, I'm staying away from any electric car that cannot do 500 miles and in any event, nothing from Tesla anyway. Shit design in many ways, one for the techno-nerds only.
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At least the M3's bumpers don't fall off after getting wet.
https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-of...nut-1828306917
According to the Tesla marketing department, this is what the performance mode is.
"On the fly weight reduction"
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      08-30-2018, 02:10 PM   #27
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who gives shxt about Tesla!! Car breaks down after take the delivery and takes forever to get serviced.
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      09-30-2018, 03:24 AM   #28
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Tesla might be bankrupt before the new M3 comes out....
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      10-03-2018, 10:00 AM   #29
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Hmmm I have an F80 and have had many very high end performance cars. I've driven the Model 3 and Model 3 performance for over a week and put the car through its passes on some mountain roads. (Not the track)
I would say on real word streets a standard RWD Model 3 is faster than my M3.
The performance Model 3 Tesla version just dominates everything on the street. Despite the weight, the chassis is truly solid.
It is the "throttle response" more than anything else that sets it apart. The Model 3 can make a pass quicker than the DCT on the M3 can downshift and the turbos spin up and power applied.
It can just explosively accelerate at any point with no prep and with no drama.

The only reason I don't like it is the visual experience and the lack of caring from the dealership I went to in respect to the obvious body work issues on the car on their showroom floor.
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Hmmm I have an F80 and have had many very high end performance cars. I've driven the Model 3 and Model 3 performance for over a week and put the car through its passes on some mountain roads. (Not the track)
I would say on real word streets a standard RWD Model 3 is faster than my M3.
The performance Model 3 Tesla version just dominates everything on the street. Despite the weight, the chassis is truly solid.
It is the "throttle response" more than anything else that sets it apart. The Model 3 can make a pass quicker than the DCT on the M3 can downshift and the turbos spin up and power applied.
It can just explosively accelerate at any point with no prep and with no drama.

The only reason I don't like it is the visual experience and the lack of caring from the dealership I went to in respect to the obvious body work issues on the car on their showroom floor.
If you're at 60mph and floor it, will it still blitz the M3 doing the same?
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The only way the M3 would take the Tesla rolling at 60 is if you where already cranking at 6000rpm.

M3 Just cruising in say 7th gear and deciding the floor it (DCT) the tesla would be like 4 car lengths ahead before you know what just happened. The Tesla is just that insanely responsive.

At some point the M3 would catch up and overtake I'm sure, Just you would probably be triple digits before that happens.
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Sounds like there is basically no way this car could appeal to a track nut. The F80 is really the only great option. Part of the reason is that there are just so many other folks out there with them doing the same. Support on this forum was part of the reason I got my F80s over a C63... very few of those guys going out and not much public data.

Model 3 will be a quick, fun car for the street but I doubt it'd survive a track day or weekend.

Also, that 0-60 3.5 mark is very attainable if AWD comes to the next M3. The success in the M5 makes me think(hope) the next M3 is rocking something similar.
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Sounds like there is basically no way this car could appeal to a track nut. The F80 is really the only great option. Part of the reason is that there are just so many other folks out there with them doing the same. Support on this forum was part of the reason I got my F80s over a C63... very few of those guys going out and not much public data.

Model 3 will be a quick, fun car for the street but I doubt it'd survive a track day or weekend.

Also, that 0-60 3.5 mark is very attainable if AWD comes to the next M3. The success in the M5 makes me think(hope) the next M3 is rocking something similar.
BMW is already saying 4.2 in the m340i with xdrive. And they are pretty conservative as everyone knows. No doubt the G80 should be able to get that if it has M-xdrive
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      10-17-2018, 11:52 AM   #34
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The only way the M3 would take the Tesla rolling at 60 is if you where already cranking at 6000rpm.

M3 Just cruising in say 7th gear and deciding the floor it (DCT) the tesla would be like 4 car lengths ahead before you know what just happened. The Tesla is just that insanely responsive.

At some point the M3 would catch up and overtake I'm sure, Just you would probably be triple digits before that happens.
Yep I had a TM3 Performance for a day, raced a friends Pure Stage 2 DCT F80 M3, from a stop it wasn't even a race, was ahead by 3 buses to 100. From a 20/40 roll it was even till about 90/100 then the M3 pulled away rapidly.
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A cup of chamomile tea in the library that will leave a cocaine injected redbull on ice and in the dust.
Which race series will you be entering into? Every time see these posts saying "ha ha but it's faster!" I have to ask the question to what effect? Performance cars have been fast enough for the last 15 years it's about gilding the lily and it serves no purpose.

I guess you judge a meal on the calorie content rather than on the taste....
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Very intriguing when comparing what direction Tesla and BMW are going with the cars. People say they would never buy an electric vehicle cuz of the lack of sound and no manual transmission.

For me:

1. I'd rather have no sound than the garbage (and fake) noise the twin turbo inline 6's BMW is putting out.

2. We're not even sure the G8X will be available with a true manual transmission.

3. I don't track my car so the battery overheating on a track is a moot point for me. Plus, I already have a manual E92 M3 if I really wanted to have fun on a track.

This is just me, though. Your situation may be different.
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      10-29-2018, 10:19 PM   #37
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Wow, another argument between the people who've driven the car and those who think they know how it drives. Color me surprised.
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      10-31-2018, 03:11 AM   #38
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from a daily driving perspective where both cars will be used 90% of the time, i doubt you can beat the enjoyment of having that immense instant torque of an EV. you'll never have to worry about getting caught with your pants down when trying to cut inline or stop being cut into in the city. unless you plan on driving the M3 at 5000 rpm and holding it in 3rd all day long.

but the rest of that 10%? i'm sure the M3 will ran circles around the model 3 in every single aspect, whether in the canyons or on the track (not drag strip).

it'll be interesting to see the sales numbers after G80 arrives, i personally don't see the G80 in much trouble, not this generation anyways.

EVs are great sure, but they arent at the stage where street legal volume production models can challenge ICE equivalents in terms of performance driving. probably in 10years sure, when EVs will have proper cooling and solid state battery, they could whip ICE cars on a track lap after lap, but not now.
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from a daily driving perspective where both cars will be used 90% of the time, i doubt you can beat the enjoyment of having that immense instant torque of an EV. you'll never have to worry about getting caught with your pants down when trying to cut inline or stop being cut into in the city. unless you plan on driving the M3 at 5000 rpm and holding it in 3rd all day long.
LOLling at all the 0-60 freaks. What, are you doing Ludicrous launch controls off your driveway and at every stop light?

It's a great car to drive, if you like the relatively disconnected experience. Tesla is run by a rather unstable individual. And ownership is a grey area. Access to dealers is patchy and limited, even in the US, where more than half of all Teslas are sold. Supercharger stations in the UK (where the Model 3 is not sold at all, despite being a top-3 export market where huge numbers of people buy 3, A4, C-class) are infrequent. They are often ill-maintained by the Tesla network, and thus cannot be trusted to support long drives. Here people drive Teslas pretty carefully to preserve range. It's a genuine contender, but not right now.

Anyway. Back to launch-controlling into traffic to beat that M3 in a straight line to 60 mph.
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LOLling at all the 0-60 freaks. What, are you doing Ludicrous launch controls off your driveway and at every stop light?

Anyway. Back to launch-controlling into traffic to beat that M3 in a straight line to 60 mph.
can you read properly? i'm not saying 0-60 is important at all in city driving, i'm saying 5-60, 30-50, 50-70 in the model 3 will be vastly more enjoyable than the m3 in city.

the whole point of an EV is that you don't need to limit yourself to certain gears or revs to enjoy that torque, it's always on tap.

oh thanks for ignoring the rest of my post and only take my first point out of context
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The thing I don't like about Tesla is Elon Musk has a reputation of over promising and under delivering. He originally said his cars would be able to self drive cross country by the end of 2017. Tesla has been selling cars with the option of full autonomous driving capability for several years but it has never been enabled and just recently the option has been removed from their website. I would be pissed if I paid several thousand dollars for this and it has yet to materialize.
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The thing I don't like about Tesla is Elon Musk has a reputation of over promising and under delivering. He originally said his cars would be able to self drive cross country by the end of 2017. Tesla has been selling cars with the option of full autonomous driving capability for several years but it has never been enabled and just recently the option has been removed from their website. I would be pissed if I paid several thousand dollars for this and it has yet to materialize.
agreed. the whole FSD thing where you pay in advance for vaporware is ridiculous. i don't believe in any of his promises until i can see it in action.
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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...ersion-review/

Seem like a fairly solid track weapon.

I'd still prefer the M3 for the manual and engine sound, but I won't knock people's choice if they prefer all the other advantages.
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Very intriguing when comparing what direction Tesla and BMW are going with the cars. People say they would never buy an electric vehicle cuz of the lack of sound and no manual transmission.

For me:

1. I'd rather have no sound than the garbage (and fake) noise the twin turbo inline 6's BMW is putting out.

2. We're not even sure the G8X will be available with a true manual transmission.

3. I don't track my car so the battery overheating on a track is a moot point for me. Plus, I already have a manual E92 M3 if I really wanted to have fun on a track.

This is just me, though. Your situation may be different.
Lol of course someone with an e92 m3 is hating on current m3. Sound is the only thing that car had going for it
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