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      07-19-2019, 04:16 PM   #89
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Like friend of mine put deposit on Tesla roadster because Musk reviled most critical specs that makes people wait and not jump to competition
Please put me in contact with your friend. I have a bridge to sell to him

It takes a special kind of person to believe any of the horseshit that comes out of Elon's mouth. Whatever he says, it'll take a couple years to become reality, it will cost a different amount and it may be built in a tent outdoors

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I think it'll happen, but topics 2 and 3 still apply. That may be their holdup

If they make the 6MT they have a completely captive market. Their on paper competitors like the C63, RS5 and Alfa Quad don't have 6MT so the hardcore manual lovers will always buy the M3
Exactly!!!!
All mine M3/4 were MT and I love it.

I bought F90 M5 which doesn't look as good or sound good and I spend 30K on aftermarket parts to make that beast more enjoyable and end up selling because I am just a hardcore M3 MT guy.
And I used to track them for many years
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Please put me in contact with your friend.

It takes a special kind of person to believe any of the horseshit that comes out of Elon's mouth. Whatever he says, it'll take a couple years to become reality, it will cost a different amount and it may be built in a tent outdoors
I know he paid 50K deposit. Lol

I test drove the P100D ( just to see what he is talking about ) and I love the power but it's not for me no MT no car for me.

I am ok to have AT car for family dough.
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That is true, which is why they needn't ditch it. It's keeping a certain segment of customers from going elsewhere.
Just read that the 2020 midengine Vette will be DCT only. Not that a corvette transmission is a great one. One definitely all kinds of coolers with the c6, c7 seemed better.


Clearly it was due to packaging of the driveline and an increase in hp and torque. They ended up designing a DCT for the car allegedly because nothing they could find available was good enough..

Agree there will be plenty of MT buyers .
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Just read that the 2020 midengine Vette will be DCT only. Not that a corvette transmission is a great one. One definitely all kinds of coolers with the c6, c7 seemed better.


Clearly it was due to packaging of the driveline and an increase in hp and torque. They ended up designing a DCT for the car allegedly because nothing they could find available was good enough..

Agree there will be plenty of MT buyers .
Last I heard the MT was still up in the air. Did Chevy confirm no MT now?
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Last I heard the MT was still up in the air. Did Chevy confirm no MT now?
https://autoweek.com/article/corvett...-ways-its-same

See the DCT section .. it's made by Tremec
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I'm not sure if I missed something, but is there any information regarding CO2 emissions for these new engines?

Belgium adds a tax based on the CO2 emissions of the engine, which amounts to around €5k for the F8x.
Get your facts right mate....
It isn’t even close to 5k€ here in Belgium

<3.8k’ish€
Annually tax:~900’ish
Entry tax: 3k’ish
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I guess I assumed the F85 X5M had the DCT because it has the DCT gear selector.
The gear selector is the same for both DCT and automatic M cars, at least the current generation. My boss's automatic X5M has the same selector as my DCT M3.
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This bit is interesting. Talking about a "Sound" button in the center console.



The "Sound" button allows you to make the car quieter. Why not make it louder? I wonder if you can code the car to do the opposite and open the exhaust flaps when you press that button instead?
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Get your facts right mate....
It isn’t even close to 5k€ here in Belgium

<3.8k’ish€
Annually tax:~900’ish
Entry tax: 3k’ish
I have got my facts very straight, pal.

The configurator on the Belgian BMW website specifies CO2 output for a manual M4 at 227g/km.

Using that value to fill out the tax simulator (https://belastingen.fenb.be/ui/public/vkb/simulatie) gets me the following results:
  • Yearly tax: €976.97
  • BIV: €6080.76

The DCT version is specified at 213g/km, which leads to the following results:
  • Yearly tax: €941.74
  • BIV: €4360.10

I’ll agree that the DCT is considerably cheaper, but it’s still well north of your claimed €3k figure.

So unless you’re telling me the tax simulator is completely and utterly wrong, I think perhaps you should get your facts straight instead before pointing fingers at others who did their research...
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So does it say what factory grenade will this M3/M4 engine come with this time around?

Rod bearing clearances
Spun hub
VANOS
Timing chain guide
IMS bearing failure
Bore scoring susceptibility

Should we put them on a wheel and spin it?
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The "Sound" button allows you to make the car quieter. Why not make it louder? I wonder if you can code the car to do the opposite and open the exhaust flaps when you press that button instead?
It isn't legal anymore in the EU for new production cars to manually control exhaust flaps - I think since 2017, maybe 2018, with the exception for facelift models. This date refers to the SOP of the model, not the actual production date of someone's car.

Not sure how it works outside the EU, but yeah, basically all cars lost the ability to open and close the flaps at the driver's will, sadly.
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So does it say what factory grenade will this M3/M4 engine come with this time around?

Rod bearing clearances
Spun hub
VANOS
Timing chain guide
IMS bearing failure
Bore scoring susceptibility

Should we put them on a wheel and spin it?
This post cracked me up. Lol!
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