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      09-11-2019, 11:42 AM   #45
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More confirmation yesterday on manual transmission....with some great quotes, IMO.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fra...staying-manual

ďThere is no point for us putting a manual gearbox into an SUV, but we will continue with a manual in the M3 and the M4. Itís a small percentage of sales Ė with the biggest community in the United States Ė but itís something very specific that sets us apart from our competitors, because not everybody is capable of doing it. Even more so in future.Ē
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More confirmation yesterday on manual transmission....with some great quotes, IMO.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fra...staying-manual

“There is no point for us putting a manual gearbox into an SUV, but we will continue with a manual in the M3 and the M4. It’s a small percentage of sales – with the biggest community in the United States – but it’s something very specific that sets us apart from our competitors, because not everybody is capable of doing it. Even more so in future.”
"It adds a lot of character, and while it may not be the more competitive variant, people like it," adds Flasch. "That's the crucial thing about our business: we have huge heritage. People love M and recognise the three stripes, everyone knows what they stand for. So why make good things worse?”

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I don't mind the rev matching, modes, etc. I use them on the F8X and I'm sure I will should I opt for a G8X. I think I'm more concerned with the possibility of the MT being offered with significantly less power than the other variant(s).
Why does that concern you? The RWD f80 is already over powered.

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I totally agree. A manual transmission that rev matches is a semi-manual transmission.


Oh FFS!! I guess people will always find something to bitch about.

I have zero problems with the rev match. If you daily drive this car, rev matching is such a treat.

Sure I'd like the option to disable it if possible, but we already have that in sport+. So, ... ?

I'm just giddy that we will be having another gen M3 with a true 6 speed manual. It's also sad to see the DCT die and go to a converter, as good as the ZF8 transmission is. It dilutes the character of an M car.
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      09-15-2019, 12:29 PM   #47
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Why does that concern you? The RWD f80 is already over powered.
It concerns me simply because it's a ridiculous notion to me for BMW to effectively punish the MT buyers by offering us less power when the F8X's MT has proven that it can easily handle as much power (...or more!!!) than the projected figures of the AT ///G8X. It's even more annoying because the power bumps are mainly software revisions, so why not just make all of the cars the same!?!? As for being overpowered.....that applies for nearly every performance car on the road, and who doesn't like more power?!?
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It concerns me simply because it's a ridiculous notion to me for BMW to effectively punish the MT buyers by offering us less power when the F8X's MT has proven that it can easily handle as much power (...or more!!!) than the projected figures of the AT ///G8X. It's even more annoying because the power bumps are mainly software revisions, so why not just make all of the cars the same!?!? As for being overpowered.....that applies for nearly every performance car on the road, and who doesn't like more power?!?
Agreed, the M3/4 is a car with track ambitions and overpowered on the track is when you can’t put the power down in the highest gear. Being able to hunt down cars or stay in front down the longest straights is a dream for any racer.
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      09-18-2019, 10:53 PM   #49
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More confirmation yesterday on manual transmission....with some great quotes, IMO.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fra...staying-manual

ďThere is no point for us putting a manual gearbox into an SUV, but we will continue with a manual in the M3 and the M4. Itís a small percentage of sales Ė with the biggest community in the United States Ė but itís something very specific that sets us apart from our competitors, because not everybody is capable of doing it. Even more so in future.Ē
I looked at the article. I really hope DCT remains optional!
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Who the hell wants to rev match themselves... i see there are so many professional race car drivers on this forum... I can only imagine how many burned clutches they had... if anything auto rev matching is an addition to the pleasure of driving a manual not the other way around! I do however agree, there should be an option to simply turn it on or off in any mode! Personally I would always keep it on as there is no way I can always perfectly rev match as good as the computer, specially on the racetrack!
Rev match&heel and toe are never an issue on street. It does get hard if you don't have necessary equipment (bucket seat with 4-6 point harness) because your body moves around too much while pulling a lot of lateral Gs. For this reason it's actually much easier to rev match on race prepped cars vs. street cars.

You definitely don't have to be a race driver to heel and toe properly. With enough experience you can get near perfect even on a race track.

Me driving at a slightly wet mini track:
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6MT F80 here. I love it and would consider G80 LCI as long as it's not ugly and too quiet with OPFs.

One gripe I have with the gearbox is that the 6th is too short for highway use. Other than that, it's a joy.
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Without a dct option, it makes the choice much easier to go 6MT as far as Iím concern.
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Is this the dinosaurs thread?

In all seriousness though, if they offer a 6spd (hoping for 7spd), I'm waiting until the last year of the model line because the M3 after the G80 will certainly NOT have a manual transmission.
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Is this the dinosaurs thread?

In all seriousness though, if they offer a 6spd (hoping for 7spd), I'm waiting until the last year of the model line because the M3 after the G80 will certainly NOT have a manual transmission.
Unless the car has a manual itís just a method of transporting your ass from point a to point b... automatics are completely useless in being fun regardless of whether itís a dct or an automatic... can care less about how fast it shifts, automatics are for soccer moms! I had all of them, E60 M5 SMG (fun for the first week), F06 M6 (fun for the first 2 weeks)... currently F90 M5 (old fartís rocket ship, only fun momentarily when you floor it)... the last epic car I owned that put a smile on my face every day I drove it was an E60 545i with a 6 speed manual! Honestly, I am having more fun driving my manual 1.5 turbo chinese Chery Tiggo 7 in Shanghai, than driving my F90 M5 back in Canada... go figure!

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Is this the dinosaurs thread?

In all seriousness though, if they offer a 6spd (hoping for 7spd), I'm waiting until the last year of the model line because the M3 after the G80 will certainly NOT have a manual transmission.
Unless the car has a manual it’s just a method of transporting your ass from point a to point b... automatics are completely useless in being fun regardless of whether it’s a dct or an automatic... can care less about how fast it shifts, automatics are for soccer moms! I had all of them, E60 M5 SMG (fun for the first week), F06 M6 (fun for the first 2 weeks)... currently F90 M5 (old fart’s rocket ship, only fun momentarily when you floor it)... the last epic car I owned that put a smile on my face every day I drove it was an E60 545i with a 6 speed manual! Honestly, I am having more fun driving my manual 1.5 turbo chinese Chery Tiggo 7 in Shanghai, than driving my F90 M5 back in Canada... go figure!
lol F06 with DCT for me, same. Loved a lot about the but not fun as often as a good car should be. F80 DCT was slightly more fun but still lost out big time to my F80 6MT. That's the one I should've held onto...
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I think a 7spd is VERY unlikely, as it would require a 4th shifting gear on the main shaft and a 4th shifting fork. I think the size would be a problem
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Honestly, I am having more fun driving my manual 1.5 turbo chinese Chery Tiggo 7 in Shanghai, than driving my F90 M5 back in Canada... go figure!
Lol, I don't even know what that is, but I understand your sentiment 100%...
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I think a 7spd is VERY unlikely, as it would require a 4th shifting gear on the main shaft and a 4th shifting fork. I think the size would be a problem
and honestly I don't want it.

Which car that has 7 speeds in their manual shifts better than their 6 speed equivalent? The answer is zero
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and honestly I don't want it.

Which car that has 7 speeds in their manual shifts better than their 6 speed equivalent? The answer is zero
+1. And with today’s torque monsters zero need for tighter spacing on an MT. A cruising gear for mpg savings? Maybe on autobahn but I never missed one here.
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