[MT4life]

Originally Posted by Fuller

You're only considering cost to buy, not cost to own - especially if one plans to have the car after the factory and, or cpo warranty expires.

Agreed. I wouldn't be caught dead with an out of warranty M car. Even CPO is quite limited

[trey100]

Originally Posted by MT4life

Absolutely, with 0 hesitation

Same here

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by trey100

Same here

Wouldn't be interested. Autos are too good nowadays.

My preference goes

ZF Auto > MT > DCT

People are way too attached to the manuals. I can see it being a selling point in the E46 days, E90 even, when the automatics were bulky and slow, but with how good things have become now on the ZF 8 Speeds, it is just a wash. Sure 6 speeds are fun and provide a unique experience but when you really break it down the new Autos are magnificent.

Faster, better efficiency, quicker shifts, don't need to take your hands off the wheel, and so forth. Love my F30 340i with the ZF Auto, and have had many manual cars in the past to compare it to. With <3% of people buying them, the market speaks.
I know this sounds jaded, but you really do have to just let it go. On an M3, I would probably choose the 6MT over a DCT because the DCT just sounds.... expensive. But on a normal 3 series, I wouldn't opt in on the manual even if it were there.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Context is important here. You're excused if you came into the thread late, but within the discussion it was actually pretty clear what he had meant by stating "costs nothing". I don't suppose he anticipated anyone taking it at face value.

I didn’t plan to prolong this further. However, if your conclusion is correct, you’re simply describing a lack of foresight. The primary burden always rests with the writer. He demonstrated how easy it would have been to be clear originally with the simple restatement in the subsequent post. All we have on these forums are words...no tone of voice, body language, nor facial expressions. It is helpful to take the time to write carefully what is intended to be communicated to avoid these tangents. Yes, I was that instructor who also graded my business students for grammar and spelling.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Wouldn't be interested. Autos are too good nowadays.

My preference goes

ZF Auto > MT > DCT

People are way too attached to the manuals. I can see it being a selling point in the E46 days, E90 even, when the automatics were bulky and slow, but with how good things have become now on the ZF 8 Speeds, it is just a wash. Sure 6 speeds are fun and provide a unique experience but when you really break it down the new Autos are magnificent.

Faster, better efficiency, quicker shifts, don't need to take your hands off the wheel, and so forth. Love my F30 340i with the ZF Auto, and have had many manual cars in the past to compare it to. With <3% of people buying them, the market speaks.
I know this sounds jaded, but you really do have to just let it go. On an M3, I would probably choose the 6MT over a DCT because the DCT just sounds.... expensive. But on a normal 3 series, I wouldn't opt in on the manual even if it were there.

The question was would I pay a premium for a manual. My response was "yes". He didn't ask if manuals should go away. Would I never buy an automatic? Of course not but I'd pay a premium to get the same car in a manual.

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by trey100

The question was would I pay a premium for a manual. My response was "yes". He didn't ask if manuals should go away. Would I never buy an automatic? Of course not but I'd pay a premium to get the same car in a manual.

A lot of people comment under an assumption that we think 6MT is somehow better. I know it's not better, it's worse than 8ZF in every measurable category. However 6MT is just more fun and engaging

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by trey100

The question was would I pay a premium for a manual. My response was "yes". He didn't ask if manuals should go away. Would I never buy an automatic? Of course not but I'd pay a premium to get the same car in a manual.

For sure. At the end of the day, it is a shame that they are less available or not at all, but I suppose the thing for me is just the futility of it all as the writing has just been on the wall.

Mostly just pointing out that the other options are pretty great and loads of fun as well if people are open to them. The one I don't really care for is the DCT as they just seem like a maintenance nightmare and liability to own out of warranty. Agree that it would be at least nice to have the option there, but it's clearly not happening.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Really mediocre "review." He didn't discuss anything of substance from an enthusiast's perspective.

If you're a tech zombie then sure, watch it.

Doug provides a perspective from the viewpoint of a car lover who doesn't wrench, track, or modify. He's non-threatening and somewhat amusing, which is why his channel is successful. I enjoy pretty much all his reviews even though I don't necessarily agree with some of his opinions.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by golf_234

The one I don't really care for is the DCT as they just seem like a maintenance nightmare and liability to own out of warranty.

This is bimmerpost. Not toyotapost

[jmg]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Doug doesn't know the first thing about driving a car. His handling rating is based off a right turn at a four way stop stop.

Nothing wrong with not tracking as a hobby, but his reviews are for casual commuters.

Weight transfer and actual physics aren't even on this guys radar.

I love Doug's videos, but you are spot on. Nothing wrong at all with not being a track guy either, most people aren't. In fact, most people who want a fast BMW say they want it to handle well, then only compare 0-60 times and are still on run-flats

My biggest problem with Doug will always be his insistence that the paddles be column mounted. For chrissake Doug, stop shifting when your full lock into a turn!

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by jmg

This is bimmerpost. Not toyotapost

Sounds like an unfortunate place.

[SWFL_Native]

I enjoy Redline Reviews and Straight Pipes.

[mackkk92]

A very thorough review

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

What exactly are they waking up to? I'm pretty sure they're 'woke' since you know, the manual doesn't sell.

It's crazy how many people on these forums have absolutely zero business sense even though they've somehow managed to afford a BMW.

I've bought two new BMWs with manuals. I won't buy a new BMW without a manual. I would happily pay MORE for one if it costs more to offer the manual.

Their loss. My retirement account thanks them. Or Porsche will.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by MT4life

A lot of people comment under an assumption that we think 6MT is somehow better. I know it's not better, it's worse than 8ZF in every measurable category. However 6MT is just more fun and engaging

Of course the manual is better. What makes it better is that I like it better. Nothing else really matters.

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by krhodes1

Of course the manual is better. What makes it better is that I like it better. Nothing else really matters.

Exactly