[G82Dude]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

I said this the other day - how long until the EU make touchscreens illegal to use while driving and the buttons have to come back. It is 100% more of a disctraction than blindly touching a button you know exactly where it is and can do it without taking yoiur eyes of the road

Definitely. Buttons are simple and intuitive. Screens are not and you will naturally look to see what you're doing.

Ultimately, you must be in control of your car/paying attention. You can be done for faffing with your car's controls, if you're not driving with due care and attention!

[Scottish0177]

The ever increasing use of touchscreens for even the most basic functions of a car does absolutely nothing for me. Yes, it may well be useful in some instances but to incorporate the basic functions of a car behind menus is crazy. Give me buttons every time.
I also agree with the comments in the video, just who is it that designs the look and user interface because they can’t be driving enthusiasts…I don’t need fancy colours or graphics that change hue to match my speed, I want good, clear and simple gauges or at the very least a digital interface that looks like proper gauges.

What’s even more crazy is how these cars are certified by the governing bodies as being safe to be sold. Surely if the VCA (vehicle certification agency) in uk actually got a car to test they would come to the conclusion that hiding stuff behind menus is distracting and dangerous whilst driving.

[G82Dude]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

The ever increasing use of touchscreens for even the most basic functions of a car does absolutely nothing for me. Yes, it may well be useful in some instances but to incorporate the basic functions of a car behind menus is crazy. Give me buttons every time.
I also agree with the comments in the video, just who is it that designs the look and user interface because they can’t be driving enthusiasts…I don’t need fancy colours or graphics that change hue to match my speed, I want good, clear and simple gauges or at the very least a digital interface that looks like proper gauges.

What’s even more crazy is how these cars are certified by the governing bodies as being safe to be sold. Surely if the VCA (vehicle certification agency) in uk actually got a car to test they would come to the conclusion that hiding stuff behind menus is distracting and dangerous whilst driving.

Spot on!

One of the major things I hate about Teslas (and its owner). That sodding big screen and no buttons!

[Colliwobbles]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

The ever increasing use of touchscreens for even the most basic functions of a car does absolutely nothing for me. Yes, it may well be useful in some instances but to incorporate the basic functions of a car behind menus is crazy. Give me buttons every time.
I also agree with the comments in the video, just who is it that designs the look and user interface because they can’t be driving enthusiasts…I don’t need fancy colours or graphics that change hue to match my speed, I want good, clear and simple gauges or at the very least a digital interface that looks like proper gauges.

What’s even more crazy is how these cars are certified by the governing bodies as being safe to be sold. Surely if the VCA (vehicle certification agency) in uk actually got a car to test they would come to the conclusion that hiding stuff behind menus is distracting and dangerous whilst driving.

Just had a quick look through regulations, as far as a could tell, it does not appear to be part of approval process!

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by Colliwobbles

Just had a quick look through regulations, as far as a could tell, it does not appear to be part of approval process!

Well that explains alot then!

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Manufacturers solving problems that don't exist. Or rather to show how they've advanced a new model, they have to dream up new ways of being cutting edge. Touchscreen seems to be the way they like to do it. But this Tesla variable wiper speed business shows that it has gone way too far.

Looking at my G21, personally think it fine. Guess you could get rid of some of the iDrive buttons, and the 1-8 pre-sets (which I use a lot). Personally I would get rid of the buttons for the lights and put them on the stalk, though as I leave in AUTO, I never touch them anyway.

As others have said, this also has spread to the cockpit, which I think is a bit of a dog's dinner. Would have been far better to have 2 proper analogue dials, a centre that was digital. Or at least give the choice to customise a lot more easily so that 2 normal dials could be replicated. All I can say is, thank God I have HUD

[Scottish0177]

[QUOTE=Charlie (Wessex);28585662]Manufacturers solving problems that don't exist. Or rather to show how they've advanced a new model, they have to dream up new ways of being cutting edge. Touchscreen seems to be the way they like to do it. But this Tesla variable wiper speed business shows that it has gone way too far.

Looking at my G21, personally think it fine. Guess you could get rid of some of the iDrive buttons, and the 1-8 pre-sets (which I use a lot). Personally I would get rid of the buttons for the lights and put themon the stalk, though as I leave in AUTO, I never touch them anyway.

As others have said, this also has spread to the cockpit, which I think is a bit of a dog's dinner. Would have been far better to have 2 proper analogue dials, a centre that was digital. Or at least give the choice to customise a lot more easily so that 2 normal dials could be replicated. All I can say is, thank God I have HUD[/QUOTE

We all know this is in the future…..but Officer I really was paying attention to the road too

[m111]

Just put this is another thread.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28588839

Very annoyed.

[Jimbon1973]

[QUOTE=Scottish0177;28586381]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

Manufacturers solving problems that don't exist. Or rather to show how they've advanced a new model, they have to dream up new ways of being cutting edge. Touchscreen seems to be the way they like to do it. But this Tesla variable wiper speed business shows that it has gone way too far.

Looking at my G21, personally think it fine. Guess you could get rid of some of the iDrive buttons, and the 1-8 pre-sets (which I use a lot). Personally I would get rid of the buttons for the lights and put themon the stalk, though as I leave in AUTO, I never touch them anyway.

As others have said, this also has spread to the cockpit, which I think is a bit of a dog's dinner. Would have been far better to have 2 proper analogue dials, a centre that was digital. Or at least give the choice to customise a lot more easily so that 2 normal dials could be replicated. All I can say is, thank God I have HUD[/QUOTE

We all know this is in the future…..but Officer I really was paying attention to the road too

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11 months is pretty inexcusable in my mind.
I see that Germany is on the brink of relaxing cv19 rules, as I'd imagine that is having some large effect on production. However, their Omnicron cases are through the roof currently, so wonder how many people can't work.

[Colliwobbles]

Originally Posted by Massimo111

Just put this is another thread.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28588839

Very annoyed.

Oh my god, I thought mine was bad, ordered 12th Aug, build due September, delivery due Mid October. Eventually built 9th
November, stayed in QC for ages, then at Bremerhaven, now been at Thorne for at least 3 weeks, still awaiting coding for missing touchscreen. Wondering what condition tyres, brakes, batteries and bodywork will be in by the time it does eventually arrive.

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by Massimo111

Just put this is another thread.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28588839

Very annoyed.

I ordered in Aug
various dates came and went, currently code 1200 scheduled for production march 7th fingers crossed.

11 months is ridiculous. i am guessing you are just being told its down to chip shortages

feel for you

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

I ordered in Aug
various dates came and went, currently code 1200 scheduled for production march 7th fingers crossed.

11 months is ridiculous. i am guessing you are just being told its down to chip shortages

feel for you

If you are at 1200 your are golden and it'll be built

[marksandygill]

Honest question but with brand new cars sat in dealerships what benefit does waiting up to 11 months for one to arrive have?
Do you get better PCP deals or is it purely to spec it exactly as you want?!

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by marksandygill

Honest question but with brand new cars sat in dealerships what benefit does waiting up to 11 months for one to arrive have?
Do you get better PCP deals or is it purely to spec it exactly as you want?!

For me it is about getting the car i want in the colour i want in the specs i want.
There have been cars at dealers that i have seen and even seriously considered but none of them took my fancy...Usually wrong colour / leather interior combination which is something i wouldnt compromise on.

[m111]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

I ordered in Aug
various dates came and went, currently code 1200 scheduled for production march 7th fingers crossed.

11 months is ridiculous. i am guessing you are just being told its down to chip shortages

feel for you

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

I ordered in Aug
various dates came and went, currently code 1200 scheduled for production march 7th fingers crossed.

11 months is ridiculous. i am guessing you are just being told its down to chip shortages

feel for you

Yeah chip shortage blah blah blah. Not happy with the lack of communication or general awareness from the dealership of what is going on.

[m111]

Honest question but with brand new cars sat in dealerships what benefit does waiting up to 11 months for one to arrive have?
Do you get better PCP deals or is it purely to spec it exactly as you want?!

Originally I went in expecting to buy a second hand car but was offered a good deal with exactly the spec I wanted. No nonsense having to find what I was looking for, and at the time, the wait was going to be 3/4 months.

[Space Cadet]

It’s why we cancelled. Order dates just went back and back with options being removed. In the end the Dealer gave me no confidence of anything, mainly because BMW themselves didn’t seem to have a clue and left the ball in the dealer’s court to deal with the customer.

11 months isn’t bad given the current situation, when I ordered my first X5 the lead time was 14 months because UK RHD cars were only built in small batches.

We’ll try again for an M340d LCI and see where that goes.

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by Massimo111

Yeah chip shortage blah blah blah. Not happy with the lack of communication or general awareness from the dealership of what is going on.

Try email to CEO

Chris.Brownridge@bmw.co.uk

I received contact back from his Secretary ,then head of complaints and she went out of her way to get info from the head of production scheduling about specifics as to why my car had been delayed time after time.Shortly after my car moved to Production scheduled for March...no idea if a coincidence

Chip shortages being the main culprit, but at last felt my complaint was being taken seriously

[m111]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

Try email to CEO

Chris.Brownridge@bmw.co.uk

I received contact back from his Secretary ,then head of complaints and she went out of her way to get info from the head of production scheduling about specifics as to why my car had been delayed time after time.Shortly after my car moved to Production scheduled for March...no idea if a coincidence

Chip shortages being the main culprit, but at last felt my complaint was being taken seriously

Good idea, thanks.

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by Massimo111

Good idea, thanks.

No worries, hope it helps

Even if you get some info that will help you decide decisions moving forward

Have to say that communications to customers has been dreadful throughout these delays and a black mark for BMW from me.
Be honest with customers even if the info you give us isn’t what we want to hear.

Anyway let the forum know how you get on.

Cheers

[Scottish0177]

Having ordered car in Aug21, genius has just informed me that car has been assigned it’s chassis number and has come forward from a March build to wk 28 th Feb with estimated delivery mid March

From what I understand, once chassis number has been assigned then no more changes to order can happen and car is due for imminent build as all parts sourced and ready

To say I’m over the moon would be an understatement, let’s hope info correct

[P-ToK72]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

Having ordered car in Aug21, genius has just informed me that car has been assigned it’s chassis number and has come forward from a March build to wk 28 th Feb with estimated delivery mid March

From what I understand, once chassis number has been assigned then no more changes to order can happen and car is due for imminent build as all parts sourced and ready

To say I’m over the moon would be an understatement, let’s hope info correct

That is good news at long last, as of this morning my August order was still sitting at status 0500 (or 105) "cannot be scheduled" after previously having been informed that it would be built in week 8.

Hope it all goes through for you now, its certainly looking much more positive.