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      03-11-2020, 10:48 PM   #397
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Of course not but on the other hand if they keep making fast RWD manual cars I think they'll still have a niche. Everything went downhill when M did a 180 on "we'll never make an SUV" and "we'll never make a turbo motor".

Personally I think the entire SUV and turbo trend is so counter productive. They handle like garbage and create enormous emissions from their weight. I'm not even sure turbos save any emissions in the real world compared to a well tuned NA motor. It's just a sham and M is not better for it. But they acquired Mini and turbos hit EPA metrics. And the economies of scale on tuning turbo motors versus a bespoke S engine are huge. Gotta deliver that shareholder return.
The turbo fobia started because of the taxes reglementation in Europe. Every vehicle until 2000 cubic cm has a normal tax system. Once you passed the 2000cmc the taxes are sky high. The amount of taxes asked for V6 (forget V8 and so on) are enormous.
For this reason everyone tried to squeeze as much power as possible from a 2.0 l engine.
Sad but that's the story.

BMW just followed suit in this one as the people that buy a V6 / I6 in Europe are very few.
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The turbo fobia started because of the taxes reglementation in Europe. Every vehicle until 2000 cubic cm has a normal tax system. Once you passed the 2000cmc the taxes are sky high. The amount of taxes asked for V6 (forget V8 and so on) are enormous.
For this reason everyone tried to squeeze as much power as possible from a 2.0 l engine.
Sad but that's the story.

BMW just followed suit in this one as the people that buy a V6 / I6 in Europe are very few.
Thank you government.
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      03-20-2020, 03:16 PM   #399
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That's pretty awesome! X3M owners have a sneak peak into this new power plant!
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      04-14-2020, 11:17 AM   #400
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Updated April 14, 2020

The G82 M4 has been spied out testing at the Nurburgring, giving us a first look at its interior (we've previously shown you the G80 M3 interior). Seen here in the M4 are the standard seats and manual transmission, but we've also included a couple of photos from the G80 M3 showing both standard seats and optional carbon fiber bucket seats.

Also, we get a peek at the Toronto Red paint color beneath the camouflage.

G82 M4 Interior and Exterior Spied


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      04-14-2020, 11:39 AM   #401
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I see that they've changed pedals slightly too. They are not all rubber anymore.

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Great to see the manual, although that center console is most definitely an afterthought in design.
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      04-14-2020, 12:05 PM   #403
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C’mon BMW don’t be so mean, way too much camo...the weather is warming up, time to show some skin!
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SCOTT26 Can you shed any light on weather the UK market will be getting rear wheel drive and most importantly MANUAL gearbox?
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      04-14-2020, 12:48 PM   #405
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Great to see the manual, although that center console is most definitely an afterthought in design.
Yeap, it sure is. But I hope they really worked on the transmission it self rather than carry over from f80
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All wheel drive and manual would have been amazing!
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They really got a lot of inspiration from the E46 generation.
Not to mentioned the headlight style (2 kinks), the distance between the twin pipes also got narrower
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Loving the new keyboard and big screen. I can easily work from my car now!
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      04-14-2020, 12:59 PM   #409
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Loving the new keyboard and big screen. I can easily work from my car now!
I hope they offer a retrofit kit.
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      04-14-2020, 01:07 PM   #412
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Don't mind the interior at all and love the 6MT!

Honestly if the front was changed to something good looking instead of this hideous crap, I would have waited and ordered this car no questions asked.
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I hope they do something interesting with the 4 series door cards similar to the i4 which is why it's completely covered up.
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The seats look like they will be fantastic . . . once in them.

The problem I anticipate from the photos is actually getting into them. The lower side wing is enormous and the space between the lower and upper side wings is almost non-existent.

So, one option is to jump into the seat - over the lower side wing - which is not advised. 90 degree entry, which is typical for sport seats, really does not look feasible given the nearly non-existent space between the lower and upper side wings.

In summary, the seats are fantastic looking, appear very functional in terms of comfort and stability . . . but a royal pain in the ass to get into.

In addition to entry/exit difficulty, I would not be surprised if an early complaint by owners is breakdown of the lower side wing leather/upholstery due to entry and exist stress.

Observation and suggestion based on 'spy photos' acknowledged as hardly being facts.

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The seats look like they will be fantastic . . . once in them.

The problem I anticipate from the photos is actually getting into them. The lower side wing is enormous and the space between the lower and upper side wings is almost non-existent.

So, one option is to jump into the seat - over the lower side wing - which is not advised. 90 degree entry, which is typical for sport seats, really does not look feasible given the nearly non-existent space between the lower and upper side wings.

In summary, the seats are fantastic looking, appear very functional in terms of comfort and stability . . . but a royal pain in the ass to get into.

In addition to entry/exit difficulty, I would not be surprised if an early complaint of owners is breakdown of the lower side wing leather/upholstery due to entry and exist stress.

Observation and suggestion based on 'spy photos' acknowledged as hardly being facts.

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Absolutely. BMW leather is garbage so it will absolutely disintegrate from owners who get into their seats in a traditional manner. Since most M cars are used to get groceries, this will be an important consideration. I suspect those seats will be optional.
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Looked like a competition wheel on a manual car. Does it ever imply a manual competition where as previously we only confirmed high power with automatic powertrain?
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