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Appreciate all your time on the review.
I think the new screen and front end design are a personal taste, but I didn't like either. I went into my local dealer to order a 2022 330e in June. Then found out the trunk would not even hold two suitcases, so we passed. Decided to stick with a 330i. Thought about waiting and ordering the new 23 330i. After driving in a i4 (with essentially the same display/screen) I didn't want to live with it. Ended up with a fully loaded CPO 330i, just 25K miles for about US$34K. New tires, brakes. New equiv. would be over US$55K. Only option it didn't have was remote start. Likely the only time in my life where I walked out of a car dealership spending much less than I planned on! |
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12-01-2022, 08:36 PM | #24 |
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At this point if you like your 2020 the only way forward in a 3 series is a big sniff.
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12-01-2022, 09:34 PM | #25 |
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Wow!! That review is just mind boggling. I’ve never preferred the pre-LCI to the LCI, until now.
I’ve been a huge BMW fanboy since before the E30 was first introduced. I was crazy for the E24 635CSi. My friend’s E30 325i was the first BMW I ever drove and will never forget that experience. I was ruined. I didn’t really think I’d ever be able to own a BMW, but 20 years later I finally was. I never imagined in a million years I would say this. BMW has lost me. Hopefully in the spring I’ll find an acceptable deal on a 2020 M340i. Barring a huge turn around with BMW that will be my last BMW.
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You were right about the tach! Thanks! I found the option in the dash configuration, you can configure it to use the sport displays in comfort mode, I edited the first post to reflect this. Quote:
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12-01-2022, 11:22 PM | #28 |
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This is the type of info we need more of. All the corners they cut are stupid and could of been avoided. The worst is the climate control, heated seats, and shortcut buttons. They really took the basic stuff and ruined it. It sucks, but I don't an option for another car as this is the only one I like. I'm hoping they resolve some of those issues through software. If all the heated seat logic is in the software then it's easy to update it so allow independent control of the heated seats and the rest of the climate controls.
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12-02-2022, 05:48 AM | #29 |
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Wow, this makes me want to hold on to my 2020 for a while longer. I'm surprised by everything that's missing from a fully loaded 2023. Mine has everything yours is missing except maybe the ventilated seats, which were never an option. I'm especially shocked about the headlights. Laser lights that swivel and follow your turns are no longer available?
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12-02-2022, 06:40 AM | #30 |
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I can't believe the removed so much stuff from the LCI. I'm buying my 2021 out of its lease.
With the LCI you lose: Laser lights Door and cup holder lighting Shifter Power trunk Adaptive mode Shortcut buttons/heated seat buttons Lots of power seat options
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Great review and I am glad I bought my 2020 off of lease.
With the direction BMW is going, I sure hope this is not my last BMW.
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The journalists are starting to feel this too, check out this article posted yesterday. This is how I feel about this car, with the caveat being that the driving dynamics in this car are still amazing. I'm worried about their direction.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...arket-anymore/
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12-02-2022, 08:36 AM | #35 | |
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Here is the more thorough explanation. If you have the adaptive M suspension, as long as it isn't actually broken, you are already getting the functionality of the suspension. What it does is adjust the dampers based on what mode you are in. It does not change the dampers while in the mode (to my knowledge). The changes in dampers happens when switching manually between sport and comfort modes. Sport is a more stiffer suspension damper setting, comfort is a more comfort damper setting. This is in contrast to the base non adaptive m suspension, which has only 1 damper setting that cannot be changed, regardless of in comfort, sport, or eco pro. The non adaptive m suspension is generally considered to have a stock setting of stiffer than comfort on the adaptive suspension, but more comfort than sport on the adaptive suspension. This is different than the adaptive drive mode, which used to be a mode on adaptive m suspension equipped cars, but in recent MY's BMW has started to get rid of quietly. What this setting did was in the background it would adjust essentially between comfort and sport drive modes (and possibly eco pro, not sure) automatically based on how the road was and what the driver was doing. It did not do anything more than that. It was essentially no different than manually toggling between the modes, just that the car did so behind the scenes, adjusting the transmission, dampers, and steering between the three modes. This mode added confusion to people who thought they had to be in the mode to get adaptive m suspension benefits, which is not true. TLDR; If you have the adaptive M suspension equipped, you are already getting the full benefits of it. The adaptive drive mode was more or less the car switching automatically behind the scenes between the different drive modes. It did nothing more than that. |
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12-02-2022, 08:52 AM | #36 |
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That's what I thought, and its a pretty big deal. The feature in this car should be called "Adjustable M Suspension". There is a very notable difference between sport and comfort and that is very cool, but I wish the system would be adaptive, like it has been forever.
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Heated seats may not have a dedicated hardware button (like the rest of the HVAC controls) but if you deselect the Auto program on the left side of the menu, you can adjust the seat heating independently
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I don't disagree that it had some value, and a nice to have for those that did like it, but my guess is most people didn't use it. |
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12-02-2022, 09:11 AM | #39 |
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*The auto start stop disable button is gone. It will disable the system in sport mode but there is no way to disable it in comfort mode.
On my 330ix there is a button on the center console to do this. You don't have it? Anyway it is still necessary to push that button or select Sport each time you start the car. It should be possible to select the default you like without hacking with 3rd party software, but it is not. |
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Seems like a strange design to keep heated seats bound to AUTO climate because that is something people might find a bit more subjective in terms of how they want it when compared to a thermostat general temperature for the cabin, which is much easier for more people to set and forget once they find a temperature that suits their comfort and the car keeps to it well. For example, some people might not like heated seats on at all, or don't like how AUTO program handles when they turn on or off, regardless if they find the rest of the AUTO program perfectly acceptable otherwise. Having to take off AUTO just to have a finer control of heated seats then removes the benefit of AUTO in the first place. |
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This is the screen you see with the climate control set to auto. The heated seat controls you see there are automatic, there are 4 settings; Low, Medium, High, Very High. You can go to manual mode by un-checking "Automatic program" on the left and that will allow you to control the seats from 0-3 like it has been for 20 years or whatever. If you do this you have completely disabled automatic climate control and have to manually control fan and distribution. Of note here is that one of the replies to this thread was right, it is possible to set the fan speed to 0 and have the heated seats on, I am going to adjust post 1 to reflect this. This is what it looks like when you un-check "All Climate Functions" on the left. Everything is disabled including the heated seats, you cant use any of the controls in the middle, none of the buttons work.
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They already have the menus and functionality for users to individually change those as you mention like in sport individual mode, but they could just include an adaptive setting for each option. |
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I've only had the car a week, but personally do not foresee any reason that I would want to have the adaptive mode button... it just happened to come with the adaptive suspension. The one plus I found is that when I was searching for a used car with adaptive suspension, I could easily tell if it had the adaptive suspension with a quick glimpse at the interior photos |
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