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      04-03-2019, 09:10 AM   #67
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If the 3 has gotten too big for your liking, there's always the 2 series.
Except it's not, an M235i x-drive is 3653lbs, it's physically smaller, but not really lighter. It should be lighter...but it isn't.
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But it wasn't, it was an x-drive. BMW has been using the "M-sport" name on the x-drive 3/4 series for years, but they don't spec sport/705 suspension on it, so it ends up just being fascia, steering wheel, etc. Sometimes you can get the adaptive dampers, but the suspension generally remains soft, weak sway bars, etc. It's been disappointing that they handicap the x-drive 3/4 series so badly. The claim that they are "mostly RWD" is BS too IME. It's not enough bias to come close to giving you similar handling. Only by lowering, stiffening the damping rates and going with thicker sways did I approach what I felt was more in line with "sport" suspension and handling, except that dead spot in the middle of the steering was still there.
I commented the same thing previously, and was told the xDrive M Sport cars come with an M Sport variant of the xDrive suspension now. Or, at the least, that the suspension isn't the same on the M Sport xDrive cars as compared to non-M Sport xDrive cars. Not sure how true this is, but it would be a pleasant surprise (though, it means C&D wasn't pleased with it).
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For a real world review of a properly optioned G20 see:
https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1600140
This makes some of the stuff cranked out by the professional scribblers look a bit vacuous.
So you want a review to talk about fender gaps, panel gaps, and paint quality, while mentioning nothing about handling and ride? I can see why BMW is softening their suspension.
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I commented the same thing previously, and was told the xDrive M Sport cars come with an M Sport variant of the xDrive suspension now. Or, at the least, that the suspension isn't the same on the M Sport xDrive cars as compared to non-M Sport xDrive cars. Not sure how true this is, but it would be a pleasant surprise (though, it means C&D wasn't pleased with it).
That is correct. If you order the M-sport package, you get the M suspension. Looks like the order guide still supports optioning the base suspension if you don't want to ride 10mm lower. Regardless, M-suspension is now "standard" on the M sport package.
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So you want a review to talk about fender gaps, panel gaps, and paint quality, while mentioning nothing about handling and ride? I can see why BMW is softening their suspension.
Umm, quoting from that self-same review:
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G20 steering is intuitive and predictable, suspension is firm without roughness, throttle response is rewarding with acceleration. It's surprising how TU B46 4-cylinder engine performed like 6-cylinder with amount of horse power and torque. The acceleration definitely felt faster than BMW's claim. The cabin noise level is vastly improved and overall interior design is harmonic to the eyes. The stiffer chassis and improved torsional rigidity enabled it to accelerate through sharp turns with confidence."
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If the 3 has gotten too big for your liking, there's always the 2 series.
Except it's not, an M235i x-drive is 3653lbs, it's physically smaller, but not really lighter. It should be lighter...but it isn't.
Not to mention that if you want a 2er with more than two doors, you'll only get a MINI with a BMW price tag.
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Except it's not, an M235i x-drive is 3653lbs, it's physically smaller, but not really lighter. It should be lighter...but it isn't.
RWD 230i manual trans = 3380lbs. Powertrain choices add substantial weight and over the suboptimal part of the car.

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Not to mention that if you want a 2er with more than two doors, you'll only get a MINI with a BMW price tag.
Not "only"! Love both of our 2018 Countryman S on BMW UKL2 platform/2.0 liter engine. Both loaded and purchased new last year in the high $30s. Value seemed quite high...great cars!
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3,400 pounds for a 230i is still pretty porky. And nice Minis. But BMW will charge more for the 2er sedan and will unlikely offer a hatch (or a manual.) I'm actually thinking that the EV Mini is the most tempting thing in the BMW upcoming lineup.
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C&D just posted Altima outhandled 330xi
Great start.
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C&D just posted Altima outhandled 330xi
Great start.
BMW has some soul searching to do. That's horrific. What an embarrassment to the "M sport" model.
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C&D just posted Altima outhandled 330xi
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So you want a review to talk about fender gaps, panel gaps, and paint quality, while mentioning nothing about handling and ride? I can see why BMW is softening their suspension.
Exactly, I don't care if the paint looks like a freaking tangerine if it drives right. What's happening with BMW? Comparison tests to electric toaster, 4000LB 4 cylinders, auto only, lexus ass, ps4 gauges, individual 50 shades of the same blue. Can they just make a separate model for chicks and metros and leave 3 alone, lol
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3,709 pounds?! I suppose the rumors of a lighter 3er were just that.
Same exact weight as my G30 530i
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3,709 pounds?! I suppose the rumors of a lighter 3er were just that.
Same exact weight as my G30 530i
Yeah, I don't get it. Our N54 135i had a weight in the rear bumper to get it back to near 50/50 balance. Is something similar going on here?
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Fake news!!! Fake news!!!
I just read the article. I think we need to hold judgement until the cars are tested on comparable tires. Going to send out LeBron in slippers?
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C&D just posted Altima outhandled 330xi
Great start.
Yup, a single metric - going roundy-round on a skid pad, 0.93g beat 0.89g. BMW on Turanza RFTs, Nissan on Hankook Kinergys. Nissan with the great CVT (sarc).
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Not to mention that if you want a 2er with more than two doors, you'll only get a MINI with a BMW price tag.
Mini's aren't exactly cheap its basically the same price.

A countryman S JCW, has the same hp as a base X1, and they cost basically the same.

The only thing with mini's is you can buy the detuned / 3 cylinder and decontented cloth versions of cars to get it cheaper. But at the high end, where the cars start to overlap, its the same price
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Not to mention that if you want a 2er with more than two doors, you'll only get a MINI with a BMW price tag.
Mini's aren't exactly cheap its basically the same price.

A countryman S JCW, has the same hp as a base X1, and they cost basically the same.

The only thing with mini's is you can buy the detuned / 3 cylinder and decontented cloth versions of cars to get it cheaper. But at the high end, where the cars start to overlap, its the same price
Well. And hopefully the 2er will be available with the B48 that the X2 M35i has. I'm assuming that if MINI gets that lump, it will only be for the GP.
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So you want a review to talk about fender gaps, panel gaps, and paint quality, while mentioning nothing about handling and ride? I can see why BMW is softening their suspension.
What softening? G20 is significantly stiffer than F30. F80 was also significantly stiffer than E92. And G30 is stiffer than F10 though more comfortable. I’m ignoring American magazines completely at this point...
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Hard not to be incensed reading those quotes
I don’t care about the quotes. BMW has stiffer suspension and steering than its competitors, and G20 is way stiffer than MB and Audi. I don’t care about other cars mentioned here which I wouldn’t buy even for free, like Chevrolet or Hyundai.
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I don’t care about the quotes. BMW has stiffer suspension and steering than its competitors, and G20 is way stiffer than MB and Audi. I don’t care about other cars mentioned here which I wouldn’t buy even for free, like Chevrolet or Hyundai.
That’s a little narrow no?
So if Chevrolet handles better than BMW what does that say about BMW

On that thought I wish BMW would stop subsidizing leases and by that attracting badge whores on a budget
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I don't care about the quotes. BMW has stiffer suspension and steering than its competitors, and G20 is way stiffer than MB and Audi. I don't care about other cars mentioned here which I wouldn't buy even for free, like Chevrolet or Hyundai.
That's a little narrow no?
So if Chevrolet handles better than BMW what does that say about BMW

On that thought I wish BMW would stop subsidizing leases and by that attracting badge whores on a budget
The Chevy models that handle better than a sport tuned 3 series are the camaro and vette, and those are more sport focused, so of course they will handle better. They'd better, since those cars aren't good for much of anything else. Now stop hanging on every little post or word that car and driver writes until you test drive the g20 for yourself.
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