Bimmerpost
3
/
4 Series
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
2019+ BMW 3 AND 4-SERIES FORUMS (G2x Generation) General G20 Sedan / G22 Coupe / G26 Gran Coupe Discussions 2020 M340 vs 2021?

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-21-2021, 11:59 PM   #23
TiMSport
Banned
Ukraine
12787
Rep
2,983
Posts

Drives: '21 M340i xDrive, '17 Audi S3
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTPenland View Post
ps- The key to confidence and success in life is to simply not give a f***. So why you are responding to me I can't figure out. It would be best to just ignore someone like me IF you can
Since you keep editing and adding more stuff, I'm responding separately. The quote in my signature really doesn't have anything to do with this dialog. I mean c'mon, I have asked you to explain yourself and provide insight as to why this model of car is better if it was built at the Germany plant. You still refuse to answer that simple question.

I don't want to ignore you, nor anyone else. However, when you make a bold remark and one without any evidence to support it, it bothers me. Others could be reading through conversations like this one and have no idea who is saying what and where that information is coming from. So if you have any evidence to support your points, I'm all ears.

As an example, someone (I don't remember who) stated that the '20 MY M340i is quicker than the '21 model. I asked where he had heard that and got nothing. I cannot find anything that suggests that is true. Now I know it wasn't you that said that, but I'm giving an example of something that needs to be proven accurate if one is going to make such a statement.

Honestly I'm also curious whether you are considering buying an M340i or if you have test driven one even. It certainly comes across as you not being interested in a new one (MY 21) because it's not a "pure ICE" car and will likely be built in Mexico.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 07:59 AM   #24
madpistol
Major
madpistol's Avatar
1712
Rep
1,331
Posts

Drives: 2022 BMW M440i GC
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Florida, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbags View Post
The start stop button was removed because the new electric motor makes the restart seamless and unnoticeable. It's brilliant.

With the pace these things are developing I'm already getting LCI envy! Hopefully we can at least get iDrive 8 with an update when it comes out.
Unfortunately, this is not my experience with my 2021 M340i. I can definitely feel the engine restart from a stop. It's not bad, but it's not seamless. I do hate the fact that I cannot defeat it in comfort mode.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 08:11 AM   #25
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5043
Rep
3,869
Posts

Drives: 2024 BMW M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by madpistol View Post
Unfortunately, this is not my experience with my 2021 M340i. I can definitely feel the engine restart from a stop. It's not bad, but it's not seamless. I do hate the fact that I cannot defeat it in comfort mode.
That's the biggest annoyance with the mild hybrid...yes it smooths out the engine start/stop feature, but it doesn't allow you turn it off (which I would want to do regardless of how seamless it was). Especially when you have an exhaust, it becomes very noticeable when the engine starts and stops.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 08:19 AM   #26
madpistol
Major
madpistol's Avatar
1712
Rep
1,331
Posts

Drives: 2022 BMW M440i GC
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Florida, USA

iTrader: (0)

I wonder what would be required to add the crackles/pops back into the 2021 M340i. Is it the exhaust system? ECU? Both?
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 09:27 AM   #27
premier3is
Major
premier3is's Avatar
1627
Rep
1,002
Posts

Drives: 2019 BMW 330i M-Sport
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by madpistol View Post
I wonder what would be required to add the crackles/pops back into the 2021 M340i. Is it the exhaust system? ECU? Both?
ECU.

Anyone figure out if bimmercode app can do it?
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 10:10 AM   #28
RTPenland
Lieutenant
394
Rep
552
Posts

Drives: Many BMWs
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: East & West Coasts

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by premier3is View Post
ECU.

Anyone figure out if bimmercode app can do it?
Bimmercode cannot it is only for changing functionality of certain things in your car (no seat belt chime, turn off ASD, idrive screen settings add items like that) great app but does not make any changes to your engine. You can download the Bimmercode app for free and run it on demo mode on your phone to check out all it can do. I used it on my M340 and a couple others and really like it

To get crackles/pops you will need, a currently unavailable thanks to DME lock, flash tune by someone like Carbauhn, Dinan, Mission Performance, MHD, BM3 to do that. A piggyback like JB4 also will not work.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2021, 10:15 AM   #29
thewusman
Enlisted Member
41
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M340i Xdrive - Mineral Grey
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ZA

iTrader: (0)

Just for interest - BMW still makes MY2020 M340i's for certain markets like South Africa and Malaysia (where it is assembled in CKD/SKD format).

It's called model homologation.

Germany produces both MY2021 with 48V MHEV and regular ICE only MY2020's on the same line depending on the destination.

Same with the BMW X3 plant in Rosslyn Pretoria. It will fit both the 2.0d engine with 48V for certain export countries, while locally we only get it without the 48V running production change.

Cheers.

Great cars no matter which you have.

Understated. Underrated. Stealth weapon of note.
Appreciate 2
TiMSport12786.50
      04-23-2021, 07:05 AM   #30
xlover
Colonel
No_Country
2191
Rep
2,554
Posts

Drives: 2023 X7 40i
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PrinceM340 View Post
Can someone help with the differences?
I know 2021 has carplay as a standard feature

2021 is much quieter (2020 sounds way better)
2021 also has an 48v electric motor?

Why is 2021's 0-60 time slower than the 2020's?

Are there any differences you guys know of? Do we have new numbers/specs for the 2021?
The significant exhaust difference is fake news.... the part numbers are the same, on throttle volume and tone are the same

Bmw only limited 2 software controlled features
1) fake pops and crackles are reduced, these are software induced anyway. IMHO this is a significant improvement as the 2020 sounded completely fake. Even the most overcammed big block could never overrun enough to produce that amount of pops. (You will also notice no car in the lineup, incl the full M cars had that many pops)
2) reduced cold start volume (flap controlled)
Appreciate 1
TiMSport12786.50
      04-23-2021, 09:00 AM   #31
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5043
Rep
3,869
Posts

Drives: 2024 BMW M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by xlover View Post
The significant exhaust difference is fake news.... the part numbers are the same, on throttle volume and tone are the same

Bmw only limited 2 software controlled features
1) fake pops and crackles are reduced, these are software induced anyway. IMHO this is a significant improvement as the 2020 sounded completely fake. Even the most overcammed big block could never overrun enough to produce that amount of pops. (You will also notice no car in the lineup, incl the full M cars had that many pops)
2) reduced cold start volume (flap controlled)
How is it fake news?? There is a change...just because you don't like the pops and crackles, a lot of people did. It gave the exhaust even more character in MPE form. I would have been pissed if the MPE upgrade was only volume and nothing else. Different strokes for different folks.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 2
      04-23-2021, 10:05 AM   #32
sikotic
Lieutenant
482
Rep
569
Posts

Drives: 2020 M340I
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Ca

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
How is it fake news?? There is a change...just because you don't like the pops and crackles, a lot of people did. It gave the exhaust even more character in MPE form. I would have been pissed if the MPE upgrade was only volume and nothing else. Different strokes for different folks.
I agree. 2020 has the original M340I sound. I fell in love with the sound at all the driving events and Its one of the main reasons I ended up getting the car. I get tons of compliments on how the car sounds all the time.

I test drove and 2021 and it left me feeling like it was missing one of the biggest components of the car for me personally. I dont believe the change to be due to regulations, so that only leaves it to complaints or the fact when they realized the G80/G82 wasn't going to sound that aggressive.

With that said, I have nothing against the 2021 I just with they had an option for people to turn the exhaust more aggressive for those who might be into that
Appreciate 2
Burrcold5043.00
      04-23-2021, 11:04 AM   #33
m240nj
Second Lieutenant
United_States
101
Rep
210
Posts

Drives: 2017 m240i
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sikotic View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
How is it fake news?? There is a change...just because you don't like the pops and crackles, a lot of people did. It gave the exhaust even more character in MPE form. I would have been pissed if the MPE upgrade was only volume and nothing else. Different strokes for different folks.
I agree. 2020 has the original M340I sound. I fell in love with the sound at all the driving events and Its one of the main reasons I ended up getting the car. I get tons of compliments on how the car sounds all the time.

I test drove and 2021 and it left me feeling like it was missing one of the biggest components of the car for me personally. I dont believe the change to be due to regulations, so that only leaves it to complaints or the fact when they realized the G80/G82 wasn't going to sound that aggressive.

With that said, I have nothing against the 2021 I just with they had an option for people to turn the exhaust more aggressive for those who might be into that
Entirely different sound. Not even remotely fake news.
Appreciate 1
Burrcold5043.00
      04-23-2021, 11:15 AM   #34
xlover
Colonel
No_Country
2191
Rep
2,554
Posts

Drives: 2023 X7 40i
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by xlover View Post
The significant exhaust difference is fake news.... the part numbers are the same, on throttle volume and tone are the same

Bmw only limited 2 software controlled features
1) fake pops and crackles are reduced, these are software induced anyway. IMHO this is a significant improvement as the 2020 sounded completely fake. Even the most overcammed big block could never overrun enough to produce that amount of pops. (You will also notice no car in the lineup, incl the full M cars had that many pops)
2) reduced cold start volume (flap controlled)
How is it fake news?? There is a change...just because you don't like the pops and crackles, a lot of people did. It gave the exhaust even more character in MPE form. I would have been pissed if the MPE upgrade was only volume and nothing else. Different strokes for different folks.
The point is that it's being blown way out of proportion, it's a minor change to one specific aspect of the sound profile. I have seen nonsense posted like "the 2020 is louder" it is not. Foot to floor there is literally no difference.

I'm sure they wouldn't have done it if the general feedback wasn't negative. While I don't understand why people liked it (pops and crackles), it's certainly fine they did.... best thing would have been adding as selective feature to idrive
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2021, 11:49 AM   #35
TiMSport
Banned
Ukraine
12787
Rep
2,983
Posts

Drives: '21 M340i xDrive, '17 Audi S3
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

And let's be crystal clear about one thing, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the performance of the vehicle. Personally I couldn't give 2 shits about popping or burbling from my exhaust. If I wanted that I'd have gotten a modded Civic. Let's say it's more stealth if need be.

I agree that it has gotten blown way out of proportion. PERFORMANCE is what matters to me. As far as I'm concerned this '21 M340i is a beast.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2021, 12:02 PM   #36
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5043
Rep
3,869
Posts

Drives: 2024 BMW M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMSport View Post
And let's be crystal clear about one thing, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the performance of the vehicle. Personally I couldn't give 2 shits about popping or burbling from my exhaust. If I wanted that I'd have gotten a modded Civic. Let's say it's more stealth if need be.

I agree that it has gotten blown way out of proportion. PERFORMANCE is what matters to me. As far as I'm concerned this '21 M340i is a beast.
Conversely though I'm sure you can understand why it would be annoying for owners that do want that particular exhaust note/profile (regardless of your own preference). It probably wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me, but when I had been looking at the 2020 M340i, even the stock exhaust was part of the drama that I liked...it was only amplified once I got the MPE). It had more character than the Audi Sport exhaust on my current RS5!
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 1
TiMSport12786.50
      04-23-2021, 12:11 PM   #37
TiMSport
Banned
Ukraine
12787
Rep
2,983
Posts

Drives: '21 M340i xDrive, '17 Audi S3
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
Conversely though I'm sure you can understand why it would be annoying for owners that do want that particular exhaust note/profile (regardless of your own preference). It probably wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me, but when I had been looking at the 2020 M340i, even the stock exhaust was part of the drama that I liked...it was only amplified once I got the MPE). It had more character than the Audi Sport exhaust on my current RS5!
Well coming from a long line of Audi cars may be one reason I don't care about the exhaust as much as some. You can certainly understand that, lol. I'm just used to stealthy cars and I happen to like it. I will say that my new M340i is not quite stealthy appearance-wise in comparison to other cars I have had. Overall I'm very pleased with my purchase which I'm certain is painfully obvious to some by now.
Appreciate 1
Burrcold5043.00
      04-23-2021, 12:25 PM   #38
TruthOne
Major
TruthOne's Avatar
1081
Rep
1,086
Posts

Drives: 2021 M340i
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Oakland, CA

iTrader: (0)

It would be nice to hear BMW explain why they changed this. Im pretty sure I know why but it should come from the source. Sneaking in the change on people causes the disappointment some have had. Me I don't care but many do.
Appreciate 2
Burrcold5043.00
sikotic482.00
      04-23-2021, 01:21 PM   #39
RTPenland
Lieutenant
394
Rep
552
Posts

Drives: Many BMWs
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: East & West Coasts

iTrader: (0)

2020 just sounds so so sweet - if you want the pops and bangs leave it in sport+ and if you're not in the mood put it in comfort and it quiets right down | 2020 for the win (again) | a rare beast for numerous reasons | always said I would never buy a first year BMW again but in this case so thankful I did
Appreciate 1
sikotic482.00
      04-23-2021, 04:59 PM   #40
EXE46
Lieutenant Colonel
EXE46's Avatar
United_States
2097
Rep
1,531
Posts

Drives: 2020 M340i RWD Aka New E39 M5
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: State of Dystopia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TruthOne View Post
It would be nice to hear BMW explain why they changed this. Im pretty sure I know why but it should come from the source. Sneaking in the change on people causes the disappointment some have had. Me I don't care but many do.
Perhaps they deemed it too played out since every crap box now has the crackle and burble thing by way of aftermarket tunes. 90's jetta's , crap box nissans you name it. Also, nothing as subtle as what's on our 2020 MY's, just loud and obnoxious. I went to a BMW drive last year and got a headache driving back with all the old E90 cars with the loudest burble tunes. It's the new rice -mod these days....
__________________
Prior's: E36, E46 x2
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2021, 05:05 PM   #41
madpistol
Major
madpistol's Avatar
1712
Rep
1,331
Posts

Drives: 2022 BMW M440i GC
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Florida, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EXE46 View Post
Perhaps they deemed it too played out since every crap box now has the crackle and burble thing by way of aftermarket tunes. 90's jetta's , crap box nissans you name it. Also, nothing as subtle as what's on our 2020 MY's, just loud and obnoxious. I went to a BMW drive last year and got a headache driving back with all the old E90 cars with the loudest burble tunes. It's the new rice -mod these days....
I will admit that I like the subdued exhaust burble of the 2021 M340i in Sport Mode. It's not like "HEY!!! LOOK AT ME!!!", but rather "Yea, I'm a sleeping beast waiting to pounce."

I just like that we can turn the exhaust note on or off, so we truly can go into Stealth Mode at will.

And to anyone that thinks the '21 M340i is slower than the '20... lol. They're either the same, or the '21 is a bit faster due to the mild-hybrid system... and even then, it's not noticeable. xDrive will launch from a stop much better than RWD, but at speed, it's a wash.

Last edited by madpistol; 04-23-2021 at 05:16 PM..
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2021, 06:18 PM   #42
finn1969
BMW Fan
finn1969's Avatar
Germany
85
Rep
60
Posts

Drives: 2023 X3M40
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: K-Town

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2023 BMW  [9.00]
2016 Z4 3.5I  [6.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMSport View Post
As usual, you refuse to answer questions.
Look, I'm not trying to be a dick. I seriously am trying to understand why one feels the German built M340i is superior to the ones coming out of the brand new MX plant. The points you made earlier have nothing to do with the factory location.
My "made in Germany" G20 came with a complimentary Schwein-Haxen and Spatzle! Not to mention a nice Hefe-weizen & fraulein to boot.
__________________
2023 X3 M40I
2022 Wrangler 4xE
2016 Z4 Alpine White
Appreciate 1
TiMSport12786.50
      04-23-2021, 06:25 PM   #43
TiMSport
Banned
Ukraine
12787
Rep
2,983
Posts

Drives: '21 M340i xDrive, '17 Audi S3
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by finn1969 View Post
My "made in Germany" G20 came with a complimentary Schwein-Haxen and Spatzle! Not to mention a nice Hefe-weizen & fraulein to boot.
Lol yeah right. Mine came with tacos al pastor along with some Modelo Negra and a hot seņorita.
Appreciate 1
      04-23-2021, 08:12 PM   #44
TruthOne
Major
TruthOne's Avatar
1081
Rep
1,086
Posts

Drives: 2021 M340i
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Oakland, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMSport View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by finn1969 View Post
My "made in Germany" G20 came with a complimentary Schwein-Haxen and Spatzle! Not to mention a nice Hefe-weizen & fraulein to boot.
Lol yeah right. Mine came with tacos al pastor along with some Modelo Negra and a hot señorita.
Mine only came with a Bottle of Tecate

[IMG]https://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_a...rocketsoy0.gif[/IMG]
Appreciate 1
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:58 PM.




g20
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST