[tturedraider]

I don’t consider the grille hideous. I do consider it cartoonish. It makes the 4er look like a cartoon.

[wrickem]

I wonder what they said about these huge grills on the forums on the interwebs when this first came out. I guess I could check with the Google

[KoenG]

Actually, a buyer in the market should not care about what others think about this car. Dukec and Van Looy confessed that they somehow determined that only 20% of people seeing the car actually liked the grill. To them that was super ok and the sign they needed to go for it! So don't mind that it's not a car to everybodies taste, it's not designed to be.

[zamboni]

When you purchase a vehicle you're not only look at performance and appearance as well, Dukec and Van Looy only target a small percentage of audience only 20% that they after. All I can say is the design team heading to a difference direction away from BMW traditional designed. The sales numbers would tell when it comes out, so far I've only seen one G22 on the freeway's.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I'm willing to bet that a lot of people that bitch about that front grill are also those that couldn't afford to buy one anyway. It becomes an excuse. They end up in an Accord.

So my MSRP of $73K+ for my 2018 530e is because I couldn't afford a BMW?

The complaining is greatest on these BMW forums which are filled with folks who spend mucho bucks on BMWs.

Nice try TimSport!

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

So my MSRP of $73K+ for my 2018 530e is because I couldn't afford a BMW?

The complaining is greatest on these BMW forums which are filled with folks who spend mucho bucks on BMWs.

Nice try TimSport!

Dude, it was a sarcastic remark and doesn't mean it applies to YOU. Read my remark again. "A lot of people".....

[chenry]

Seeing quite a few 4 series along with M3s and M4s on the road and just today two convertibles....

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Dude, it was a sarcastic remark and doesn't mean it applies to YOU. Read my remark again. "A lot of people".....

I don't believe that "being able to afford it" makes you somehow more eligable to judge about good or bad design. I believe that all car enthousiasts have dreamt of cars that were not immediately financial accessible to them. Does that render their judgement worthless?

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by KoenG

I don't believe that "being able to afford it" makes you somehow more eligable to judge about good or bad design. I believe that all car enthousiasts have dreamt of cars that were not immediately financial accessible to them. Does that render their judgement worthless?

Agreed; however, I do think there are those out there that criticize cars that would never have any intent to buy them anyway. This is certainly not limited to what are primarily enthusiasts and fellow BMW owners on this forum.

Now you guys are making me wish I didn't make that off the cuff sarcastic remark, lol. Of course everyone has an inherent ability to judge design and whether they like it or not. I just think there are those that bash just to do just that, bash something they don't like or can't attain.

[KoenG]

Interesting read about the grill in topgear:

https://www.topgear.com/long-term-ca...-auto/report-4

[TiMSport]

The comments seem to be more entertaining .

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

The comments seem to be more entertaining .

Yes, in the meantime, I've read those also! This cnet guy should be given a medal of honor for bravery and his ability for holistic reasoning!

[G-Mann]

The new grille was a pretty dramatic change and generated a lot of discussion, two years from now it will be a non topic. I was not a fan at first but it has grown on me big time, particularly after I saw it in person. Love it now and can't wait to get one in my garage.

[anselansel]

I wouldnt have bought my 4 without the grill.I personally cant tell that much difference in appearance from the old 3 and the g20. A rehash of the last 4 would have been a no sale from me....

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by anselansel

I wouldnt have bought my 4 without the grill.I personally cant tell that much difference in appearance from the old 3 and the g20. A rehash of the last 4 would have been a no sale from me....

Except if it has a face like this
This is what I like about the M340i, it's unique to just that model. Standard G20 has the typical kidney grill.

[Germanauto]

Lol this thread is the epitome of a circlejerk.

[Rux]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Lol this thread is the epitome of a circlejerk.

I thought so too until I read this one. No love for OG M2 https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1815618

*cringe level 10*

[anselansel]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Lol this thread is the epitome of a circlejerk.

do you mean like the press and posts piling on the 4? with weird camera angles, photoshopped enlargements of the grill etc? now thats a circle jerk

[Vin0770]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Lol this thread is the epitome of a circlejerk.

Interesting website. Didn’t expect this thread to go sideways and turn into a rehash of did BMW f-up the grille or who thinks it’s ugly or nice, but more of a simple math question. The sales numbers to me don’t seem to be that bad of suck in the first quarter in the US for a niche vehicle (coupe) that has sizable group that really doesn’t like it.

[VetteGuy]

The New 4 appears to be a success in the U.S. so far. North American sales of the 4 series more than doubled in the first quarter of 2021, second only to sales of the 2 series cars which nearly tripled, while sales of the 3 series fell by 11%, and the Z4 was off by nearly 70%. Second and third quarter year to year comparisons will not really be relevant as the pandemic affected production after the first quarter of 2020, but if these sales numbers continue, the haters are going to be very disappointed that the styling is being widely accepted and that BMW won’t be apologizing to them.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

The New 4 appears to be a success in the U.S. so far. North American sales of the 4 series more than doubled in the first quarter of 2021, second only to sales of the 2 series cars which nearly tripled, while sales of the 3 series fell by 11%, and the Z4 was off by nearly 70%. Second and third quarter year to year comparisons will not really be relevant as the pandemic affected production after the first quarter of 2020, but if these sales numbers continue, the haters are going to be very disappointed that the styling is being widely accepted and that BMW won’t be apologizing to them.

I'd like to know why this is happening.

I see so many trucks and SUVs where I live, and while I think they are great vehicles, they lack the driving enjoyment and precision that a well-tuned car (coupe, 4 door, or hatchback) can have. I'm wondering if people are beginning to realize that SUVs have a higher center of gravity, and thus, no matter what you do to them, they will not give you the same driving experience as a car.

[G-Mann]

Originally Posted by G-Mann

The new grille was a pretty dramatic change and generated a lot of discussion, two years from now it will be a non topic. I was not a fan at first but it has grown on me big time, particularly after I saw it in person. Love it now and can't wait to get one in my garage.

Managed to work out a deal this weekend and got my hideous grille safely secured in my garage. Took her for a cruise today and as I was driving through my neighborhood a passerby flagged me down, I thought they were going to ask for directions but they flagged me down and rolled down their window to tell me how hideous my grille was. Just kidding, they actually couldn't stop praising how beautiful the car is.