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      03-23-2020, 07:27 PM   #1
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Any idea how much the i4 starting MSRP will be?

This will be out just in time for my i8 roadster lease maturity.

Any idea the price range?
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      03-23-2020, 11:43 PM   #2
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One would hope/expect it to be in the competitive range of Tesla Model 3 and Polestar 2.
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      03-24-2020, 11:39 AM   #3
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One would hope/expect it to be in the competitive range of Tesla Model 3 and Polestar 2.
It'll be priced higher than both of those but keep in mind BMW still has the benefit of the full Federal tax rebate and State rebate.

Expect the launch edition i4 80 to start at 65K before options and incentives.

A nicely equipped one (prem + driver assist) should be 74K before incentives but you'll be able to get 7500 + 2000 + local county EV incentive = ~ 10k back.

Upon release it'll have less range and performance than the corresponding model 3 performance, but it'll make that up by having the BMW badge on the hood and a nicer exterior and interior design.

Base i4 will be released around 2022, starting at 50K with 65 kWh battery good for 200 miles EPA. still more expensive than the base model 3 on sale now (40K) but again, incentives and badging will make up for that.
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If BMW truly wants to grab a big market share, the i4 should be priced similarly to the Tesla Model 3 extend range and have the advertised 373 miles range. BMW can certainly tack on modest price increase of a couple of thousand dollars for the BMW brand name and nicer appointments. But should be aware that Tesla is the leader in the EV market with proven and improving technology.

Every car magazine headlines the latest EV as a Tesla killer. To date, not one car has proven so. Most all are priced thousand$ more than and Tesla, don't have the range or the charging network. BMW, has the i4 which has the range and if priced comparably (with similar equipment), to actually rival the Tesla for market share.

My next car will be an EV. I would be an enthusiastic buyer of the i4 if the the range was equal to the Model 3 extended range and the pricing was comparable with similar features included. If BMW thinks that having the whirling propeller affords them the right to charge $15-20K more than a comparably equipped and ranged Tesla Model 3, they may be in for a rude awakening.

To date, I have no idea of the i4 battery warranty and longevity, or the car's storage capabilities (trunk and frunk). If the estimated pricing will be in the $50K range and the car has the 373 mile range and it comes comparably equipped to a Tesla, BMW will likely get my business. Otherwise I will be buying a Model 3.
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      04-23-2020, 03:46 PM   #5
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If BMW truly wants to grab a big market share, the i4 should be priced similarly to the Tesla Model 3 extend range and have the advertised 373 miles range. BMW can certainly tack on modest price increase of a couple of thousand dollars for the BMW brand name and nicer appointments. But should be aware that Tesla is the leader in the EV market with proven and improving technology.

Every car magazine headlines the latest EV as a Tesla killer. To date, not one car has proven so. Most all are priced thousand$ more than and Tesla, don't have the range or the charging network. BMW, has the i4 which has the range and if priced comparably (with similar equipment), to actually rival the Tesla for market share.

My next car will be an EV. I would be an enthusiastic buyer of the i4 if the the range was equal to the Model 3 extended range and the pricing was comparable with similar features included. If BMW thinks that having the whirling propeller affords them the right to charge $15-20K more than a comparably equipped and ranged Tesla Model 3, they may be in for a rude awakening.

To date, I have no idea of the i4 battery warranty and longevity, or the car's storage capabilities (trunk and frunk). If the estimated pricing will be in the $50K range and the car has the 373 mile range and it comes comparably equipped to a Tesla, BMW will likely get my business. Otherwise I will be buying a Model 3.
Keep in mind the 373 mile range is on the WLTP, and that may have dropped since the iNext "projected range" has also dropped below what was originally going to be 400+ and is now under. The Verge quoted BMW saying it will have an estimated EPA rating of 270 miles, but worst of all BMW says the car will arrive in the first half of 2022, and this was before the coronavirus hit, so we could be looking at an even later date, and who knows what updates Tesla will have by then.

I imagine the price will likely be a lot higher than the Model 3 because the Model 3 is actually priced well at quite a value in my opinion. You can get a nice Performance 3 at $56k, I would think the base i4 will likely be around the price of a Performance 3 around the mid 50's to low 60's despite lacking in specs. Apparently the base Polestar 2 is going to be a touch under $60k and will have a "projected range" of 275 miles.
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Polestar 2 is the perfect example of how not to price your BEV when the market is dominated by model 3. it will probably stop production by end of 2021 due to poor sales, it's pretty much DOA at this point. if the i4 follows polestar's pricing then that's where it's headed.

That being said, in typical BMW fashion, launch i4 is gonna start at $69K, top range $62K, mid range $54K and entry $49K. no more than 300mile range for launch edition and it'll decrease as you go to the lower models. as long as the ICE 3 series is still a thing, i4 will not be priced lower than a comparable 3 series, let alone any model 3
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Guess we will have to wait and see what BMW delivers.

I must admit I was pretty "pumped" when I saw the i4, with the mileage and est pricing. Actually I would still be on board if actual range was 330 miles per charge (280 mi range @ 85%) and pricing was @ the Model 3 performance/extended range models.

Of some concern is how EV car's ranges are figured. If calculated at 100% (which is not recommended if one wants to preserve battery life). So 373mi. @ 100% becomes 320mi @ 85% - (270mi @100% becomes 230mi @ 85%) which would be unacceptable for my needs.
I need an EV that delivers 200 miles for a round trip w/ some driving around at the mid point for ownership to be practical.

Factoring in AC (living in Florida), radio, and the unforeseen rain storm with wipers and headlights on, range anxiety could become a real issue (for me) w/o some range cushion.
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      04-29-2020, 12:39 PM   #8
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Actually I would still be on board if actual range was 330 miles per charge
all the numbers i've seen out there suggest 270 miles EPA. i'd be very surprised if they somehow managed 330 miles EPA, i don't think they can or are willing to do that due to battery suppliers and cost.
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These WLPT and EPA ranges leave me scratching my head.

Ran a comparo on the Mini Electric using two sources of Real World.
mileage.

EPA claims 110 mile range
WLPT claims 146 mile range

a 36 mile range difference between the two test methods.

Two separate real world (RW) tests showed ranges of 137 miles and 126 miles. (11 mile diff between the two RW tests).

I do understand that EPA weights their testing towards more highway driving which doesn't favor battery and range preservation. Real world testing seems to split the difference between those two measurement criteria.

FWIW here is a comparo of advertised ranges of a Tesla Model 3 (standard range model)

EPA: 220 miles (354 km)
WLTP: 381 km 237 mi

A 17 mile difference. I would guess RW difference would fall somewhere in the middle of the 17 miles.

I do hope the i4 follows the above trend. We won't know for sure until it is released for review and we get some actual EPA test numbers and real world numbers.
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Have we any idea of i4 pricing? More or less than M4?
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      05-12-2020, 12:21 AM   #11
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Have we any idea of i4 pricing? More or less than M4?
Probably overpriced like the other Euro EV's. I would expect around the high 50's to even low 60's starting, possibly more than the M340i. It will definitely be a tough price against a Model 3.
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I don't think it will be priced below the M4, at least with the 530hp version. Be prepared to pay big bucks.
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simply add $16K to the msrp of each model 3's current trim and you'll arrive at i4's price.

i4 is not aimed at taking away potential model 3 buyers, the people who buys model 3 wants a solid BEV first and foremost, tesla just happens to be the brand that gives the market what it wants with a reasonable price.

bmw sees those people as a lost cause, it can never get its cost down to model 3 levels, not while it's still running ICE assembly lines. they are aiming for high net worth BMW diehard fans who want a BMW first and foremost, the BEV part is just a nice novelty for these folks.

it's designed to be more of a statement piece rather than a sales booster.
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simply add $16K to the msrp of each model 3's current trim and you'll arrive at i4's price.

i4 is not aimed at taking away potential model 3 buyers, the people who buys model 3 wants a solid BEV first and foremost, tesla just happens to be the brand that gives the market what it wants with a reasonable price.

bmw sees those people as a lost cause, it can never get its cost down to model 3 levels, not while it's still running ICE assembly lines. they are aiming for high net worth BMW diehard fans who want a BMW first and foremost, the BEV part is just a nice novelty for these folks.

it's designed to be more of a statement piece rather than a sales booster.

Well we will se how BMW prices the I4 and who the target audience is, for example my self i am waiting for the I4 due to it being an Euro car first and foremost but also sens Germans are known to make pretty darn good cars, this is what has kept me away from the Model 3 i still have trust issues with Tesla when it comes to quality although that does not go without saying that Tesla hasn't improved their quality by ten folds sens they first started like any auto makers in the begging before you figure your stuff out there is bound to be some quarks that needs fixing.

I just have an hard issue trusting American car companies overall, i remember when jumping in to one of my friends brand new corvette this was way back, we jump in to the car to go for a spin, when reaching for the passenger seat belt i accidentally pulled of some plastic piece i thought i was being to harsh on it when my friend says oh don't worry this is "normal" for American made cars and proceeds to explain the quality of them and informs be there will be a lot of rattle, squeaking and stuff. And this is in a new car.

So this has obliviously left a mark on me and put me off when it comes to American cars. And then i have driven a lot of American cars or maybe rather say American designed cars, and their quality has been improving a lot especially the new cars.

But i just can't shake this feeling of with my usual luck when it comes to cars i should just probably keep away from American cars and go for the Germans, at least my luck won't affect the quality of the car.

BMW just like any other auto makers will be if not my will then probably by regulations will have to abandon ICE cars in a near future, but one has to think a bit further ahead BMW probably has a steady supply chain and a lot of warehouses filled with goods for their ICE engines witch needs to be emptied out first before taking the next stop for BEV future.

Just like this old incident i can't remember if it was Volvo i think it was they had bought a lot of these so called wood crates for millions upon millions of dollars for a project and it turned out that these wood crates were illegal in a way it was due to some regulations or such that had come in to place but they were allowed by the EU & World to keep using them until they all were used up otherwise the company would go bankrupt the same with other auto makers they are probably allowed to use up the current supplies they have in store and assemble cars before going over to full BEV so it won't be such a massive cost.
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I don't think it will be priced below the M4, at least with the 530hp version. Be prepared to pay big bucks.
Really? Good grief but now I see it spelt out HP wise then...damn here in the U.K. that's going to be £70k+ RRPs

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I don't think it will be priced below the M4, at least with the 530hp version. Be prepared to pay big bucks.
M4 starts around $70K!

But, no problem! If there isn't a reasonably priced model with about half of that power, in the $40s-$50s:

Polestar 2 (post launch edition)
Mach E
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...and other EVs to come in the next couple of years.
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FWIW. if BMW is suggesting the i4 will be priced at or around $50K and then launches it with a $65-$70K price tag, they will have shot themselves in the foot.

Certainly, if one starts adding options the price will jump, but even the base model should come reasonably well appointed. Unless BMW decides to list things like comfort access, power seats, automatic headlights, cruise control and other normal amenities as options.
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FWIW. if BMW is suggesting the i4 will be priced at or around $50K and then launches it with a $65-$70K price tag, they will have shot themselves in the foot.

Certainly, if one starts adding options the price will jump, but even the base model should come reasonably well appointed. Unless BMW decides to list things like comfort access, power seats, automatic headlights, cruise control and other normal amenities as options.
I have a feeling it will be priced like the M340i, will be interesting to see if it will be truly worth the upcharge compared to Tesla.
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If Taycan starts at 100k with similar 0-60 time but with air suspension etc. No way i4 can cost 80k. Granted different type of cars but still.
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BMW could have been the king of the hill if they had invested in their (I) division more, instead they decided to go mainstream and keep playing on ICE engines. Now theyre a confused company (as it looks from the outside).
If the i4 is grossly overpriced and has poor range itll see the ax soon.
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BMW could have been the king of the hill if they had invested in their (I) division more, instead they decided to go mainstream and keep playing on ICE engines. Now theyre a confused company (as it looks from the outside).
If the i4 is grossly overpriced and has poor range itll see the ax soon.
I agree.

If priced in the mid-$50's and has a real world range of 320-330 miles (EPA). A good battery warranty (w/ longevity similar to Tesla's Model 3), it will be a big seller. I'll buy one.

W/ Tesla's Battery Day coming Sept 22, it will be interesting to see Tesla will have up its sleeve. If there is a huge leap forward in their battery tech, I will wait.

It's only going to take one big advancement in battery tech that will put I.C.E. car makers on very thing "ice".
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