[paulo_f80m3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

sounds like a personal problem...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

This. It likely also means no 6MT ZCP etc

ZCP as an option package I believe has ceased to exist across the entire model range.

M3 Competition and M4 Competition should be available shortly after launch of the standard model just as happened with the M5.

Also... no longer a need to " Wait for LCI" because based on the recent spate of announcements of refreshes of multiple models (with a new color here.. and blacked out taillights there) on these pages.... it appears that there will be MULTIPLE , milder refreshes over time..

" Individual M sport " models also may pop up from time to time.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by dantm3

This is everyone's scenario they were asking for.. 6 speed purist car, and awd options that can handle power with auto. The zf 8 speed and 10 speed is now in every track car like zL1 and vette.. they say it is just as good or faster shifting then any dct... I like the dct but will still want a manual before I get to old to want to drive one anymore. I do think it's funny that everyone wants a v8 Manual.. the e90s are selling for 25k now, go get 3 of them for the price of the new m3

I'm pretty sure none of the individuals that would consider the 6MT version of the G80 would have thought they'd be getting a less powered version of the other types being offered. On top of that a rumored hp amount that is roughly the same as an F80 competition. Why would anyone consider this? Less weight? Just mod.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by RowanBuds

A clutch and differentials that can hold up to 450-500 hp with AWD and row-your-own are not the things that make those cars $200k.

Another poster said it, but Chevy/Ford both have manual gearboxes that would laugh at the max output of this S58 motor. We all know the price is going to climb - there will be a higher % of these cresting 6 figures as specced than any prior iteration - there's no reason it can't be done.

Especially considering BMW is now trying to give us all 31 flavors we never wanted at the same time, I wouldn't care about a 7-10% premium upcharge to add the MXdrive to a 6MT car. There's a market for it, no matter if it gets built or not.

Not looking to argue. Obviously if we can put a man in space we can make a transmission that can hold back an engine's torque. AWD and a manual in that situation would limit the reliability of the car. I guess they could limit drop clutch starts with electronics as a solution. Similar to what Porsche does on the 911 manual (maybe for the same reason?)

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by Vectors2final

Not when the car is going to probably push 4000+ lbs after the AWD is added. I could buy that argument if the weight stays the same.

Going this route doesn't widen the gap in the segment. Mercedes and the like can easily surpass this in their next iterations. Who knows maybe I'm wrong, but this last generation was a toss up for those looking at the competition.

4000lbs? The F80 weighs less than 3600, you think BMW is adding a 400lb front axle?

[10"]

What a shame that what used to be the standard preference for the M3 is now relegated to some cheese ball "pure" badge.

How the mighty have fallen...into a world of dull autoboxes and AWD.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Any chance to see a G81 or it's already dead?

It never existed.

Unless you want to trust car jornos' wet dreams.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by alex2364

All these new variations will make it very hard to find the exact one you want on dealer lots since they stock very few Ms to begin with.

Buying an M car off a lot instead of ordering Euro Delivery is madness.

[Big boi m5]

Interesting because the motor rad has a r ninet 'pure' as well. Essentially it's just the bike and I believe it might not even have a tach, just speed. It's a cheaper bike to make it more accessible and strip the bike of all the modern bloat and comfort stuff.

I love it personally. Perhaps even id buy new for it depending on what the release date is.

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

4000lbs? The F80 weighs less than 3600, you think BMW is adding a 400lb front axle?

f80 is pretty much 3600.

You can bet BMW will show us the pure weight and the AWD 0-60 in promotional material.

Also, BMW says it shed 64 lbs, but keep in mind they are already taking about the CSL model in the release and didn't say if the CSL shed the weight from a base F80, if the Chassis shed the weight, or if the Pure being base is the weight.

I say this because the G30 'lost weight' but after all standard options for 2019 are added in gained 100 lbs. they were really saying the chassis lost weight, the cars have gained weight overall.

Sad too but that's what sells.

Basically this is going to be an AWD e60 M5. The F30 already was as wide and a few inches shorter.

What's worse is the 4 door 2 series is FWD. basically if you wanted a proper 4 door 3 series you're not getting it at a bmw dealer.

Personally, I think BMWs big boi absolute units are great as they are very easy to drive track cars.

For me it's the weight that is the Achilles heal.

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Stop scaling HP, BMW. Sheesh. The stripper should have the same output.

Tbh I bet weight considered they perform the same. Irrelevant any way because you knownit will just get flashed to proper HP anyway. Just be sure to haggle $300 out of the dealer when you buy to pay for it

[Arrow29]

One would assume they'll just be using the same 6MT that's in the current M2/M3/M4. As other have said, lots of tuned examples of the above that have been around for years now without any issues. Please correct me if I'm wrong though (would be good to know as I plan on tuning my M2C).

So no reason people can't do the same with this new M3 Pure model. That's assuming it'll be the same S58 engine with just different software mapping. Although obviously tuning isn't for everyone, so it is a shame from that point of view.

I guess we should just be happy that there'll be a 6MT option at all, given all other competitors removed that option ages ago. But sounds like the auto with the M5 switchable AWD will be quite the beast!

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

Personally, I think BMWs big boi absolute units are great as they are very easy to drive track cars.

For me it's the weight that is the Achilles heal.

Weight compared to which other cars/manufacturer? Mercedes and Audi are the main competitors for them and BMW has the lightest model almost every time they compare the cars of these 3 manufacturers.

[E92Hwo2]

weight this weight that? hp increased torque increased four wheels as an optional , I don't see problem here , you want more light weight take out ur rear seat and go do gym more often then u will lose weight to increase ur 0.01-0.05 lap time , not everyone spend their life struggling on these

[adc]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I'll take the Pure RWD only model with the 6MT, with no options besides Wheels and CCB's, provided the exhaust note sounds halfway decent this time around. Then again, I could still be better off with a used 991.1 Carrera 2S with a 6MT at the same price or cheaper.

At the time you’ll be able to buy the G80 pure, the 991.1 will be a 5 year old car I think. Are you ready for what that can mean in Porscheland?

I’d suggest you get that 911 now, why wait a few more years?


I for one am excited about the “pure” version. Even though it will exclude models like the CS and CSL, that’s a shame.

I would urge BMW, given that this will likely be the last ICE and the last manual M3, to put in a little bit of effort and develop the manual transmission to handle all the torque. Send off a glorious history book with an incredible finale. A gift to us,and to themselves.

[LMBe82]

I want a back to basics M3. The Pure version sounds promising but I really want nothing but performance. NO nav, heated seats, back up cameras, active suspension, electronic rear diff, hill assist, crash detection, blind spot monitoring, etc. Seriously none of it. I am entertained by driving my fun car and listening to the radio (stock is okay with me). Cars have become so bloated with all this tech and I hate it. If this Pure is really a stripper only thing I ask for is power windows and mirrors haha. If BMW can pull this off I will sell my Z4 M Coupe. Anyone else interested in a true M3?

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by E92Hwo2

weight this weight that? hp increased torque increased four wheels as an optional , I don't see problem here , you want more light weight take out ur rear seat and go do gym more often then u will lose weight to increase ur 0.01-0.05 lap time , not everyone spend their life struggling on these

Its more the brakes and tires have to be replaced way more.

And ideally it would be 3200 lbs. these cars are just massive

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by einscot

bye bye bmw. why force the base engine on us 6MT drivers? i don't care about rwd vs awd but basically forcing an automatic on us to get the higher rated engine is bunk. thank god for GT3s!

Only a 20 hp difference. Personally, that doesn't bother me.

[LMBe82]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Only a 20 hp difference. Personally, that doesn't bother me.

I agree. You can always mod to make whatever power you want.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by rjd598

This is incredible. You all still bitch and this is exactly what you wanted. Once again this forum never ceases to amaze.

9,000 rpm rated 6MT and DCT are all we ever wanted. Bogging down at early 7000 rpm, ZFat has no place in the M.

[KTN]

The responses from a couple people in this thread are just silly fun really.

Every time the transmission debate erupts usually by the MT "purists" the bottom line is always that they don't care about higher performance numbers, but must have the MT as that's what matters to them and not getting 0-100kph half a sec faster.

Now when they get what they want, interestingly they seem to gloss over this argument and continue complaining how it's a tragedy it won't be as powerful as the AT models, how it's a shame it's now its own "tier", how this sucks and how that sucks, etc...

In essence it seems like what this people crave and live off of is non-stop complaining about one thing or another, and not the joy of driving a manual. Pure comedy.

Now sure, you're free to want to have your cake and eat it too, but somehow I just feel like if BMW created the closest thing to a perfect "new-gen" MT car, a few here would still find something to grab onto to dislike and be all upset about.

[LMBe82]

Of course some people will always complain but I just ignore them. Like I do with my wife.