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      06-13-2019, 05:16 PM   #45
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Like I said, it’s a fine car. It’s just too disconnected for me. It’s refined, the engine and trans combo is brilliant, and it’s a great highway cruiser. I just personally think it’s a little dull.
I have one, mine has the m-sport package and I'll say its extremely dull. It's a great luxury car but the sport aspect is lacking
I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands!
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I can honestly see both points with the old vs new debate. I think even the f30 (with sport tuned suspension) drives a bit better than your run of the mill daily commuter car. That said, some daily commuter cars have increased some facets of their game a bit, so maybe the contrast between premium car and average daily driver is less than what it once was, depending on trim line and how the cars are optioned. I haven't driven a g20 yet, but the problem with the f30 is it came with many compromises, and not the sort typically associated with a car that's marketed as a premium brand "sports sedan". The interior is adequate and functional, but not particularly interesting or "premium". The steering feels "off" in any trim or spec. You absolutely need one of the sport tuned suspension options or packages to have handling that feels acceptable. The reliability is ok by historical bmw standards, but not good by any stretch. If one wants a soft, refined ride from their 3/4 series, the f30 didn't really deliver that in any trim or spec either. The run flat tires do a lot to ruin cabin noise and smooth ride, and there are plenty of cheap sounding rattles and creaks in many, if not most f3* cars.

For the cost of the average optioned f30, one didn't want to have to compromise, especially in the ways mentioned above. This especially when the driving pleasure and premium aspects of the car were perceived to be reduced (by many), or less special compared to the average, less expensive car.

Judging by many of the reviews, the g20 might have addressed some of the more glaring compromises. Is it enough, or too little too late?
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Before test driving and buying the BMW 330i xdrive, I test drove a…

Jag XE 30t
Audi A5 coupe
Alfa Giulia
Mustang turbo

They are ALL really cool, fun cars to drive.

The Jag is: come-hither sexy
The Audi A5 is: silky smooth
The Alfa is: go-cart chic
The Mustang is: bang-for-the-buck badass

If I were 27 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Mustang
If I were 37 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Alfa.
If I were 47 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Jag
If I were 77 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Audi

But I felt the BMW was “for me” the best “overall package” for “my needs” and at “my age” and with our “crap roads” here in suburban PA and has a little bit of everything including: style, quickness, very smooth and powerful engine (for a turbo 4), very responsive/stable-at-speed handling, fantastic MPG considering the performance, excellent driving position and very nice build quality.

And yes I “really” “push” the 330i when it is safe to do so. How can you help not to? It begs to be pushed. You never feel the car will let you down.

I don’t think anyone would go “wrong” with any of these cars. It comes down to nuances and personal needs and diving style. In many ways they are more alike than different.

Some past cars include: a few of Mustang GT V-8s, 3 Infinity G35/37 sedans a Buick Regal Sport turbo.

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Originally Posted by BobHen View Post
Before test driving and buying the BMW 330i xdrive, I test drove a…

Jag XE 30t
Audi A5 coupe
Alfa Giulia
Mustang turbo

They are ALL really cool, fun cars to drive.

The Jag is: come-hither sexy
The Audi A5 is: silky smooth
The Alfa is: go-cart chic
The Mustang is: bang-for-the-buck badass

If I were 27 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Mustang
If I were 37 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Alfa.
If I were 47 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Jag
If I were 77 instead of 67 I “might” have picked the Audi

But I felt the BMW was “for me” the best “overall package” for “my needs” and at “my age” and with our “crap roads” here in suburban PA and has a little bit of everything including: style, quickness, very smooth and powerful engine (for a turbo 4), very responsive/stable-at-speed handling, fantastic MPG considering the performance, excellent driving position and very nice build quality.

And yes I “really” “push” the 330i when it is safe to do so. How can you help not to? It begs to be pushed. You never feel the car will let you down.

I don’t think anyone would go “wrong” with any of these cars. It comes down to nuances and personal needs and diving style. In many ways they are more alike than different.

Some past cars include: a few of Mustang GT V-8s, 3 Infinity G35/37 sedans a Buick Regal Sport turbo.

Bob
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One comment though, what version of A5 did you drive that you found "silky smooth". I test drove A4 6MT last year and it was the worst numb, lifeless, amoeba I've ever driven in the segment.
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If this has already been said then apologies for the reboot. I love the Alfa and have really considered buying. The bigger issue for me is resale. Even if you buy an Alfa at an exceptionally good price, good luck on trying to sell it later. Aside from all of the reasons we love BMWs, MBs and Audis, there is also a huge market and demand for them so when you are ready to sell, its an easier process. Not easy but easier. Imagine an Alfa which is having challenges in the US market, no a lot of demand and you buy the perfect car. When it comes time to sell, it may take forever unless you want to take a beating on a trade in.
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Interesting perspective
One comment though, what version of A5 did you drive that you found "silky smooth". I test drove A4 6MT last year and it was the worst numb, lifeless, amoeba I've ever driven in the segment.
Audi A5 turbo 4 coupe.

Well, I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “numb” but I get where you are coming from. I personally just wanted more from the driving experience. But many others might find that “smoothness” or “numbness” to be desirable.

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Interesting perspective
One comment though, what version of A5 did you drive that you found "silky smooth". I test drove A4 6MT last year and it was the worst numb, lifeless, amoeba I've ever driven in the segment.
I've yet to drive an Audi that wasn't numb and lifeless from behind the wheel.
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Before test driving and buying the BMW 330i xdrive, I test drove a…

Jag XE 30t
Audi A5 coupe
Alfa Giulia
Mustang turbo

They are ALL really cool, fun cars to drive.

The Jag is: come-hither sexy
The Audi A5 is: silky smooth
The Alfa is: go-cart chic
The Mustang is: bang-for-the-buck badass

If I were 27 instead of 67 I "might" have picked the Mustang
If I were 37 instead of 67 I "might" have picked the Alfa.
If I were 47 instead of 67 I "might" have picked the Jag
If I were 77 instead of 67 I "might" have picked the Audi

But I felt the BMW was "for me" the best "overall package" for "my needs" and at "my age" and with our "crap roads" here in suburban PA and has a little bit of everything including: style, quickness, very smooth and powerful engine (for a turbo 4), very responsive/stable-at-speed handling, fantastic MPG considering the performance, excellent driving position and very nice build quality.

And yes I "really" "push" the 330i when it is safe to do so. How can you help not to? It begs to be pushed. You never feel the car will let you down.

I don't think anyone would go "wrong" with any of these cars. It comes down to nuances and personal needs and diving style. In many ways they are more alike than different.

Some past cars include: a few of Mustang GT V-8s, 3 Infinity G35/37 sedans a Buick Regal Sport turbo.

Bob
Interesting perspective
One comment though, what version of A5 did you drive that you found "silky smooth". I test drove A4 6MT last year and it was the worst numb, lifeless, amoeba I've ever driven in the segment.
I think that's why he said if he was 77 he would have chosen the Audi.
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I would never-ever pick a Mustang, simply because it's at a lower league just like Camaro. I mean if I'm 27 I'd pick a Golf GTI or something over any american car.
I wouldn't pick the A4 which is a FWD based VW wrapped with nicer materials. The worst driving experience in the segment.
And I wouldn't pick the Alfa unless I have my own repair shop. Literally one of the most unreliable brands in the entire world.
I wouldn't pick Jaguar ever, because I'm not a proud english person or anything. (I don't see any other reason)
I'd pick BMW 3 series, or Mercedes C Class if I'm very old. The competition in this category has always been between 3 series and C Class. All others are fluff.
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I would never-ever pick a Mustang, simply because it's at a lower league just like Camaro. I mean if I'm 27 I'd pick a Golf GTI or something over any american car.
I wouldn't pick the A4 which is a FWD based VW wrapped with nicer materials. The worst driving experience in the segment.
And I wouldn't pick the Alfa unless I have my own repair shop. Literally one of the most unreliable brands in the entire world.
I wouldn't pick Jaguar ever, because I'm not a proud english person or anything. (I don't see any other reason)
I'd pick BMW 3 series, or Mercedes C Class if I'm very old. The competition in this category has always been between 3 series and C Class. All others are fluff.
I'd consider a Stang but the cheap interior turns me away. A4 is far mroe than a nice VW. Golf GTI is cool but I'm too much of a stickler for a luxurious interior.

I'll take a hard look at the Giulia for my next purchase. If it's not significantly better to drive than the 3-series then it really has no redeeming factors.
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