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      06-05-2020, 12:57 PM   #441
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I think this def breaks the record for the worst M car design.
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      06-05-2020, 12:58 PM   #442
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Pcars are entirely on another level and not really comparable. You wouldn't think so but I guess I you'd really have to own one. The grass always seems greener on the other side. Kind of like being envious over someone who's dating a supermodel. Then, when you actually get her, you regret it because she is so high maintenance and comes with so much baggage that it's not even worth the headache or great sex haha. Stick with the tried & true BMW girl next door!
They are not on another level - maybe GT cars yes.
The ///M cars are worthy competition to base and S 911s.
My brother has a 991.2 C4 PDK - my F80 M3 comp is faster and inline 6 engine is much better in terms of delivering power and aggressiveness. The 911 handles MUCH better. Tech on M3 is much better in terms of Idrive, M1/M2 settings etc.

The new 992 i have not driven so im sure that car is a monster with new improvements.
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      06-05-2020, 12:59 PM   #443
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We have more reason to force ourselves to like the front end. Regular people will definitely hate the front end of this thing, I have no doubt.

I just don't understand who at BMW looked at this and said "right, that's what the M3/M4 should look like." The damn thing looks like a cartoon character. I was hoping this would be the replacement for my E92 M3 but I really don't think I can live with that hideous front end. I think this def breaks the record for the worst M car design.
Well at least its getting closer to this for the true M cars. I've been saying all along they will use the grill off the GTS race car for inspiration to differentiate true M cars from the M sport package cars. They know they have diluted the M brand and the loyal M enthusiast wants more distinction. Let's hope they surprise us.
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      06-05-2020, 01:00 PM   #444
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It's grown on me, it makes the f82 look extremely dated. People are going to buy it and guys who will talk the most and put it down on here are the same guys driving their old e90's and older who can't afford it.......
Wrong. I pay nearly a grand a month for my f80 and this car will be around the same. I don’t like this at all, not a matter of affordability and it lines up with my lease end as it will for many people.

Ultimately- I think with mods from IND we can get it looking decent where the fact it’ll be a rocket ship might make up for the aesthetics
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      06-05-2020, 01:01 PM   #445
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I think everyone would love this design! Not sure why designers never make the concept version.

The Lexus LC500 is the only one that did.
Most likely reserved for next gen M2 styling. We've already had insiders hint that the next 2er grills will be more vertical like the new 4er but not as large.
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      06-05-2020, 01:08 PM   #446
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Actually they did they just dint listen to the customers who still think the E30 and E36 or E46 or any other insert random BMW model code before G series, Bimmers are the best looking ones.

They moved in another direction if they lose about 100-150 customers (going with the amount of whine i have seen on this forums in regarding to how many people complained) sens those who like the change don't bother to comment but if they gain 300+400 new customers because of the change it is still a win win for them but time will tell when the sale numbers comes in.

So yes they did listened they moved for a change it just wasn't the change that bimmerposts most fanatic members complaining about the grill wanted them to go.

I still cant believe admins haven't shut down the discussion about the grills especially when so many complain posts or rather say whine posts are from the same forum members constantly.

Let me "enlighten" you about the comments.

"Oh noes BMW lost their way"
"Oh noes its a pig nose"
"Oh noes what is BMW doing"
"Well the sale numbers will drop"
"OH NO HOFMEISTER KINK has been changed"

At least people haven't exploded yet about the M-Mirrors being changed can't wait for that s**t show to start.

IF their sales numbers plummets so hard because this car will be such a disaster then i am sure BMW will change their "lost ways" until that these comments are getting older then the age of queen Elisabeth the second, and she is damn old.
Please go on BMW IG page which has much more average BMW fans rather than hard core enthusiasts here on the forums - the comments there are not positive at all.

996 sold well but Porsche heard the critics (customers, fans, journalists etc) and they fixed it, hopefully BMW does the same.
The only reason 996 turbo is so cheap is because of the headlights- same will be for this M4, its a styling gimmick that will age poorly and who ever buys one will take all the depreciation even more so than usual.
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Looks like a donkeys ass on the front end of a car, nice
never rode one backwards before.
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      06-05-2020, 01:15 PM   #448
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According to people if you don’t like the design you must not be able to afford the g80 which is why you’re hating on it.

Guess that’s not true !
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Well at least its getting closer to this for the true M cars. I've been saying all along they will use the grill off the GTS race car for inspiration to differentiate true M cars from the M sport package cars. They know they have diluted the M brand and the loyal M enthusiast wants more distinction. Let's hope they surprise us.
I actually think that concept car was done beautifully, that grill shape and size matches the overall design of the car. The M4 on the other hand has some sort of fish looking design that supposed to replicate a 328??

I don't understand how its possible to make the M8 look so good but completely ruin the M4
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      06-05-2020, 01:36 PM   #450
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<-- looks just like this
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The talk about replacing or even deleting design elements on a performance car built to be used on the track (and street) before they have been explained by BMW is dumbfounding.
It's no different from changing a front or rear bumper in the past. It's also no different from adding or swapping a diffuser or spoiler or wing or lip. In fact, you're no doubt aware that BMW sells these parts through their own in-house M Performance brand.

Furthermore, I can absolutely assure you that changing the color of the crossbar in the grill and the uprights in the lower air damn on the bumper will not effect their performance or effectiveness in any way. The reason we know this is because the color of something does not change its aerodynamic properties.
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Furthermore, I can absolutely assure you that changing the color of the crossbar in the grill and the uprights in the lower air damn on the bumper will not effect the performance in any way. The reason we know this is because the color of something does not change its aerodynamic properties.
Everyone knows black/red cars are faster!!
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According to people if you don’t like the design you must not be able to afford the g80 which is why you’re hating on it.

Guess that’s not true !
Huh? Who has claimed that? Half the people who are hating in it are claiming they're going with Porsche now, true or not.
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It's a shame that it does not look anything like the CSL / CSL-R Hommage



...allegedly next generation M2 will take after these...
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The talk about replacing or even deleting design elements on a performance car built to be used on the track (and street) before they have been explained by BMW is dumbfounding.

If these elements (bumper design, hood design etc. are functional designs meticulously tuned together with the rest of the car including suspension thousands of hours for optimal speed, stability, cooling and noise levels why on earth would you want to replace them?

I seriously doubt these parts are designed just for looks.
If replacing the horizontal slats in a grill changes the aero of the car in the much of a negative way, it was a poor design in the first place.

I'm sure the aerodynamics side of the M division was just begging to find another 5 lbs of downforce. I know, make the grill huge and the slats horizontal!

Like someone else pointed out, the slats are probably horizontal to make the grill look less long.
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Agree. If these are not more functional elements than someone show me a wind tunnel data sheet showing no difference to previous designs. If not, these are all individual opinions. I have a few engineer friends at Garching that told me about these steps back in 2014.. What they told me has all come to fruition.


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The talk about replacing or even deleting design elements on a performance car built to be used on the track (and street) before they have been explained by BMW is dumbfounding.

If these elements (bumper design, hood design etc. are functional designs meticulously tuned together with the rest of the car including suspension thousands of hours for optimal speed, stability, cooling and noise levels why on earth would you want to replace them?

I seriously doubt these parts are designed just for looks.
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According to people if you don’t like the design you must not be able to afford the g80 which is why you’re hating on it.

Guess that’s not true !
I don’t think that’s the case for most people on here who own the current gen.

I’ve had 3 F8x cars and they are even now, stunning. When I first walked into BMW and saw a SMB 4CS sitting in the showroom I honestly felt giddy. It was jaw dropping, it’s fate was sealed and almost 2 years later, I still get chills when I see and drive it.
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The talk about replacing or even deleting design elements on a performance car built to be used on the track (and street) before they have been explained by BMW is dumbfounding.

If these elements (bumper design, hood design etc. are functional designs meticulously tuned together with the rest of the car including suspension thousands of hours for optimal speed, stability, cooling and noise levels why on earth would you want to replace them?

I seriously doubt these parts are designed just for looks.
No. This design was more aesthetic than performance. If that was the case, you'd see every competitor, performance car, etc with giant ugly grills and a recessed hood.

I don't see Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Alfa, etc fucking up their designs for better performance.

Just look at the F80. No cooling nor aero issues with the design and it didn't have a grill this large. Neither does the M8!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BMW's flagship. You're telling me they decided to make this car perform better than the M8 and the only way to make that possible is by fucking up the design? No way.
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Agree. If these are not more functional elements than someone show me a wind tunnel data sheet showing no difference to previous designs.
Let's be reasonable and keep sight of the facts here. In an earlier post you asserted with positivity that the design *must* be the result of providing ample cooling for the engine. You did this with no wind tunnel data sheet - you just stated it outright. Remember?

The confidence with which you made that claim strongly suggests you either did not realize or forgot that there is a horizontal crossmember right across the center of the grill. I say this because it is difficult to imagine someone being so absolutely sure about such a claim if they had considered that point. Once you are aware of that, you can see easily that this bumper design is by all appearances functionally very similar to other modern BMW designs.

I'm going to suggest we simply move on from what would inevitably be an a fact-free debate masquerading as a fluid dynamics seminar and stick to the subjective stuff. Can we do that?
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Let's be reasonable and keep sight of the facts here. In an earlier post you asserted with positivity that the design *must* be the result of providing ample cooling for the engine. You did this with no wind tunnel data sheet - you just stated it outright. Remember?

The confidence with which you made that claim strongly suggests you either did not realize or forgot that there is a horizontal crossmember right across the center of the grill. I say this because it is difficult to imagine someone being so absolutely sure about such a claim if they had considered that point. Once you are aware of that, you can see easily that this bumper design is by all appearances functionally very similar to other modern BMW designs.

I'm going to suggest we simply move on from what would inevitably be an a fact-free debate masquerading as a fluid dynamics seminar and stick to the subjective stuff. Can we do that?
Fair enough. I still stand behind my original comment.

That's why I said individual opinions. So that may be.
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Why the hell didn't the photographer grab more pics than just this one ugly pic of the front? How about the sides and back? Interior? Damn it!
I thought the same thing! I would have taken about 20 pics. I imagine they took a bunch (I hope?!) and this is the only one that surfaced.
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