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      04-02-2020, 07:28 AM   #45
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Is this def correct? On day received car I filled form in on line. Just had tax code through and they are setting at 16%. Just want to be 100% sure what’s it should actually be before I contact them. Thanks!
For a G20 330e registered before 1 April 2020, the rate is 16% for the tax year 2019/20 (which ends on 5 April). Then it drops to 8%.
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Several websites suggesting 16% dropping to 12% for 20/21 on cars reg before April 2020. Based on 38 mile range. Love to think that 8% was right but..... Think HMRC have simply applied last years BIK % to my code for 20/21 which appears to be wrong. Have to say the info available online is shocking considering we are in April and 3 days off new tax year. Anyone would think there was a global pandemic following UK leaving EU.....
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This link clearly identifies the difference in EV range when using NEDC and WLTP.

https://ev-database.uk/car/1212/BMW-330e

NEDC - 41 miles

WLTP - 37 miles

Unlike emissions and fuel economy, these range values do not change from trim level to trim level, so all 330e are assessed on the same EV range.
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This link clearly identifies the difference in EV range when using NEDC and WLTP.

https://ev-database.uk/car/1212/BMW-330e

NEDC - 41 miles

WLTP - 37 miles

Unlike emissions and fuel economy, these range values do not change from trim level to trim level, so all 330e are assessed on the same EV range.
That's interesting... just wish I could find a BMW link with the same information. My Lex account manager has gone deaf to my enquiries - presumably not interested now the car has been delivered! :-)
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      04-15-2020, 05:48 AM   #49
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Finally got through to HMRC and based on my car being registered before April and on NEDC figs (38g/41 miles) they have set at 8%! for 2020/21. V nice as was expecting it to drop from 16% to 12%. I will be putting the saving aside though......lol
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I checked my BIK for 20/21 and it seemed to be at 14%. I contacted our HR services team, they talked to the leasing company, and now it's set to the 8% rate based on the NEDC figures - 330e registered in November.

Thanks to you all for prompting me to confirm!
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      04-23-2020, 07:31 AM   #51
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I've had my first pay slip since taking delivery of 330e MS in March. I am getting taxed at 14%. Trying to get hold of lease company to understand what's driving that number. Tricky trying to find the NEDC range figures from an official source to send to then. Assuming the 37g/km CO2 is correct.
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      04-23-2020, 03:11 PM   #52
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I've had my first pay slip since taking delivery of 330e MS in March. I am getting taxed at 14%. Trying to get hold of lease company to understand what's driving that number. Tricky trying to find the NEDC range figures from an official source to send to then. Assuming the 37g/km CO2 is correct.
I would talk/email to HMRC direct, I didn't go via our HR or our fleet company
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      04-24-2020, 02:00 AM   #53
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I would talk/email to HMRC direct, I didn't go via our HR or our fleet company
Im taxed at source Blackers - so company payroll sort. They get a feed from Arval as to the amount I should be paying. I've escalated.

They are now mentioning 'optional remuneration arrangement'. Where I could have cash instead of a car, normally you are taxed on the higher amount. I believe any car sub 75g/km is exempt.

This is all why I wanted to send lease company the official figures (if different to what they hold)...
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      04-24-2020, 03:34 AM   #54
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I would talk/email to HMRC direct, I didn't go via our HR or our fleet company
Im taxed at source Blackers - so company payroll sort. They get a feed from Arval as to the amount I should be paying. I've escalated.

They are now mentioning 'optional remuneration arrangement'. Where I could have cash instead of a car, normally you are taxed on the higher amount. I believe any car sub 75g/km is exempt.

This is all why I wanted to send lease company the official figures (if different to what they hold)...
Ahh, I see.

I tried in vain to see an official BMW 41 mile NEDC figure, quoted on a few websites and yet somehow HMRC are using it despite P11s not being sent yet.
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Ahh, I see.

I tried in vain to see an official BMW 41 mile NEDC figure, quoted on a few websites and yet somehow HMRC are using it despite P11s not being sent yet.
that's the figure that worries me. The g/km co2 seems to be quoted in confidence but range......

Hence why I am putting the extra saving aside....
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      04-24-2020, 02:44 PM   #56
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I found a few reviews going back to the launch of the 330e that also mention the 41 mile figure. I also followed some links to government websites that were supposed to have official data, but the files they downloaded appeared to only have data for a tiny number of cars.

Paulf, my car also comes via Arval, so not sure if the discussion my HR team had with them will prompt a wider change in their data.

I'll not spend the savings quite yet just in case!
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      04-24-2020, 03:13 PM   #57
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I found a press release with the 37g/km + 41 NEDC number... same with used BMW at Listers

BMW customer services were very vague, to the point that they said go back to the dealer!

Crazy all this leg work to get a number. TBH, I just want the right number...

Escalated within the lease company so see what that turns up. Either way 14% makes no sense.
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How long does the company car take to appear on HMRC website? I dont normally bother to look as my employer is on the ball. Car will be two months old soon and I know Lex has added the car as I had the BIK email from them a few weeks ago.
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Update:

Had a written response (email) from an online genius...

As your car was registered before the 6th April 2020, your BIK rate would have been 16%.

However, since we are now in the next fiscal year, your BIK rate has been reduced to 14%.


So there are inferring that the range is less than 30 miles... to be in the 14% bracket
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      04-30-2020, 12:26 PM   #60
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Further update:

Lease company have written to say the electric mile range only applicable to cars registered April 2020 onwards, and that the 14% figure is correct.

The HMRC website says different... the forum says different... I just don't believe them!!

Frustrated.
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Lease company have written to say the electric mile range only applicable to cars registered April 2020 onwards, and that the 14% figure is correct.

The HMRC website says different... the forum says different... I just don't believe them!!

Frustrated.
I would go with the HMRC as they tax you rather the lease company but up to you who you believe.
My tax code along with a few others has been changed to reflect the 41 miles, HMRC did this without any prompting from me. My last year P11D only shows the model and emissions not the range so they must have based their decision on other data
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Lease company have written to say the electric mile range only applicable to cars registered April 2020 onwards, and that the 14% figure is correct.

The HMRC website says different... the forum says different... I just don't believe them!!

Frustrated.
I would go with the HMRC as they tax you rather the lease company but up to you who you believe.
My tax code along with a few others has been changed to reflect the 41 miles, HMRC did this without any prompting from me. My last year P11D only shows the model and emissions not the range so they must have based their decision on other data
Absolutely HMRC

But being taxed at source means my payroll being responsible for taxing and they are reliant on info given to them from lease company

I will continue to challenge by pointing them at HMRCs method of calculating tax.
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Lease company have written to say the electric mile range only applicable to cars registered April 2020 onwards, and that the 14% figure is correct.

The HMRC website says different... the forum says different... I just don't believe them!!

Frustrated.
I would go with the HMRC as they tax you rather the lease company but up to you who you believe.
My tax code along with a few others has been changed to reflect the 41 miles, HMRC did this without any prompting from me. My last year P11D only shows the model and emissions not the range so they must have based their decision on other data
Absolutely HMRC

But being taxed at source means my payroll being responsible for taxing and they are reliant on info given to them from lease company

I will continue to challenge by pointing them at HMRCs method of calculating tax.
So Arval admitted to me today (via email) that they don't have the official manufacturer's electric range data and hence can not calculate the correct BIK %. Sounds like they're putting all plug in hybrids on the <30 mile tier (14%)

I've gone back to my HR dept to complain about being over taxed and that Arval aren't doing their job properly. Will see what they say...
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Lease company have written to say the electric mile range only applicable to cars registered April 2020 onwards, and that the 14% figure is correct.

The HMRC website says different... the forum says different... I just don't believe them!!

Frustrated.
I would go with the HMRC as they tax you rather the lease company but up to you who you believe.
My tax code along with a few others has been changed to reflect the 41 miles, HMRC did this without any prompting from me. My last year P11D only shows the model and emissions not the range so they must have based their decision on other data
Absolutely HMRC

But being taxed at source means my payroll being responsible for taxing and they are reliant on info given to them from lease company

I will continue to challenge by pointing them at HMRCs method of calculating tax.
So Arval admitted to me today (via email) that they don't have the official manufacturer's electric range data and hence can not calculate the correct BIK %. Sounds like they're putting all plug in hybrids on the <30 mile tier (14%)

I've gone back to my HR dept to complain about being over taxed and that Arval aren't doing their job properly. Will see what they say...
I spoke to them today also, but the guy I spoke to is holding the line that "electric range applies only to cars registered April onwards"

I've provided my payroll guys with all the HMRC links to have the argument with Arval.

As it stands will be taxed again at 14% this month. Funny though, they did say that if it post April, BIK would be 6%

Shame that they haven't admitting anything to me on email
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Finally received the attached for my vehicle from BMW dealer which suggests for my car spec, that the range is just under the 40miles/8% bracket so BIK should perhaps be 12%. I was given a figure of 41 miles originally, which HMRC then used to put me in the 8% bracket but I was concerned about the effect of having the larger wheels with the Plus Edition. Anyone unsure, should try and get their hands on their vehicles copy of this, I think.
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Thanks for this Lloydster - I've requested for my vehicle too... see if they respond.
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