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Business Nav comes with Live Cockpit Plus, and runs on iDrive 6. Basic system is now called Live Cockpit, it doesn't have navigation, and runs on iDrive 6. Instrument cluster appears to be the same for base Live Cockpit and Live Cockpit Plus. (These are all my findings for EU market cars) |
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04-12-2019, 07:32 PM | #27 | |
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I sell stuff to the Brazilian Bimmer factory, and there are 3 dashes from the partnumbers. So something is really fucked up. Dealers have misleading info, in fact, everyone has misleading info. I guess we are stuck guessing what the hell is the right cluster. |
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Makes sense. This is the most coherent scenario so far, given that there are 3 dashes. Nevertheless this contradicts the configurator. I believe as more G20 come out, the easier it will be to know.
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04-15-2019, 06:29 AM | #31 | |
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Here in Europe it seems that there are 3 gauge setups available. In the below add you can see what seems to be Live Cockpit Plus: https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...3-0663d1e04de0 And in this one the standard one - Live Cockpit: https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...0-4cd9eca87ee5 |
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What I don't understand and many here don't is why there are Live Cockpit Plus cars with the standard cluster. I looked through all mobile.de and I couldn't find rhyme or reason to it, given that many cars with the Live Cockpit Plus with this setup had the same equipment package as others. Calamari apparently it doesn't depende on HUD. I saw many G20 with this setup without HUD. The only common denominator I found was ACC, but I found cars without ACC which had this cluster. Still a mystery that baffles me. |
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From what I saw so far, is seems that just having Live Cockpit Plus, will not add mid-level cluster. To get it, other options need to be selected. My best quess is ACC and/or HUD will include mid-level cluster. ...but the mystery still remains |
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05-06-2019, 01:26 PM | #38 |
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Seems there are 3 triers of instrument clusters at least in Europe market:
Live Cockpit - classic analog dials and hands behind some semi transparent screen with small digital narrow rectangular screen at bottom Live Cockpit Plus - kind of hybrid with digital hands and dial inside but painted speed and rev numbers up to certain level, then digital (adds navigation + some extras) Live Cockpit Professional - Fully digital instrument cluster as we know it Last edited by moonboy; 05-06-2019 at 01:33 PM.. |
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05-06-2019, 02:36 PM | #39 |
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It is clear that there are 3 tiers, however, optioning Live Cockpit Plus (or Business Package), i.e. navigation, does not imply the hybrid cluster as you claim.
One counterexample of a Live Cockpit Plus/Navigation car with the base cluster is, from https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...l?id=275433636: |
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05-06-2019, 03:15 PM | #40 |
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That mobile.de offer indeed contradics that Live Cockpit Plus being the Hybrid instrument cluster. In German configurator however (www.bmw.de/myconfig/m9b8u4y2) the rendering of interior shows hybrid one as soon as "Live Cockpit Plus" is added. Same applies for pdf price lists / sales brochures where hybrid one is pictured above Live Cockpit Plus description. I shall see in about a month as I ordered Live Cockpit Plus option.
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05-06-2019, 06:19 PM | #41 |
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The configurator has bugs (and this appears to be one of them), e.g. it displayed stitchings in the door panels with leather dash that (at least in the EU) turned out to be not there, that one got recently fixed.
The brochure does not make a definite claim either way, though it displays the hybrid tier for Live Cockpit Plus. The text regarding the screen is identical though I believe. Could be that BMW fits the clusters by their own liking right now, possibly based on availability. Another suggestion was that it is dependent on other options, most likely HUD, ACC or Driving Assistant. |
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Now that the 330i with live cockpit plus has arrived we finally found out how it works. You need to have ACC or HUD to have the 2nd cluster, Live Cockpit Plus is only the Analog Cluster with navigation. It makes no sense that it works like this, but that is how BMW has done. You have to select Live Cockpit Plus and ACC or HUD to have the 2nd cluster setup.
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05-18-2019, 12:56 PM | #44 | |
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This confirmed our speculations that HUD and ACC were "upgrading" to the hybrid analog-digital cluster. |
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