View Poll Results: DCT or traditional AT? | |||
I prefer a DCT. | 235 | 60.57% | |
I prefer a traditional AT. | 32 | 8.25% | |
Either is fine with me. | 53 | 13.66% | |
I don't care. No manual, no purchase. | 68 | 17.53% | |
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02-12-2019, 10:42 AM | #23 | |
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We all remember how SMGs were loathed by the average Joe despite being fast and fun. DCT is slower but has the other problem, it's not special enough for people to notice it's there. If SMG had been better received we would see development of a manual that could handle more than 470 hp and an SMG IV pump to go with it. THAT is the best scenario. If BMW has marketed DCT better you might see more development bucks. I've heard so many old guys at the track raving about PDK being glorious and amazing. It's become a buzzword. Well SMG is faster, and M DCT is just as good by the numbers. The thing is BMW marketing didn't bother to promote either as a competitor. In reality, SMG couldn't hack it in stop and go traffic, DCT won't work with electric motors. Manuals don't sell. I've driven all three and I recommend keeping them if you got them. ZF8 is smooth in stop and go traffic and hybrid friendly but no soul. Shame on BMW. Sales have never been better. We want fun driving, Leasers want comfort and they far outnumber us. BMW would be crazy to spend money developing a new SMG/manual/DCT when 99% of buyers don't want them or care to learn to use them, and definitely won't buy them. |
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02-24-2019, 03:20 PM | #24 |
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I tend to think the media or more interested in 'Gesture controls' and that the manufacturer has said that ZF is as good or better than DCT. I drive a 335d currently with ZF and it's a great gearbox. But I feel one of the main things that sets fast 3 series away from the M cars is a completely different gearbox.
Makes it feel more special and like you are getting something else for your money. This just makes me feel like BMW is being lazy or the accountants have too much control... they usually do. |
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02-24-2019, 04:51 PM | #25 |
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It's all about economics of scale these days, standardized OEM part suppliers across the entire product portfolio and maximize ROI.
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02-25-2019, 03:56 PM | #26 | |
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It's almost like they don't like making cars anymore... I like the F30 generation because I always think of it being it's own thing. I.e, it doesn't share any looks with the 5 series. Now I genuinely have to look at them for a while to make different models out. |
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02-28-2019, 10:38 AM | #27 |
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I vote for traditional AT. I never could figure out how to drive the dual clutch. Two feet, four pedals?
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Adios amagios. If I put you blind folded in my F85, you couldn't tell it was a AT, the M programmed ZF transmission is that good. BMW is NOT investing R&D into a DCT MxDrive transmission with ZF. I just returned from Arjeplog, Sweden and in discussion with BMW and ZF engineers, all the R&D is focused on developing electric power trains.
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The G80 test mules arrived in Arjeplog last week, as I saw 2 G80's last week leaving the BMW Winter Test Area at sunset. Paparazzi were spotted in the area, as the high profile vehicles test at night to avoid being photographed. Compared to the upcoming M8 coupe, M8 Convertible, X5M, X6 and X6M that were visible during the day adjacent to the ice track I was training on.
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Really hope the next M3 isn't a knockoff of AWD based models and offers distinct driving experience. Not interested in switchable AWD that relies heavily on electronics...
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Might sit this one out. BMW M wants to take detour I guess..
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When the ZF8 shifts as good if not better than M-DCT, then why does it matter?
Do you feel it shifts to soft? My DCT in Sport Plus is completely vicious, and will completely destroy my rear tires in nothing flat, if I am not careful. Is that what you're after, something that is adjustable characteristically wise?
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It's just a cost saving measure on BMWs part. Subjective is correct it's sort of like sex... Smooth is great, but sometimes you want it hard and fast.
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Still saddened to see even more confirmations that BMW is moving their M models to automatics.
This is a cost decision, plain and simple. They could pull an off-the-shelf box from their current supplier getrag that could handle whatever torque they throw at it. ZF will make all their 3 and 4 series cars uniformly gelatinous. Probably time for me to move on from BMW anyway. |
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Got to test drive the new M5 at an M Experience Day in Thermal. That thing is a rocket, and it's got the ZF TC transmission, so...
My F80 bucks in traffic, and I can't say I enjoy it very much. I have it in comfort mode with everything tuned down, and it still struggles at times. Before the M3, I had the Lexus ISF, which also had a torque converter transmission (not a ZF), and the shifts were pretty quick. Bottom line is, you'll probably lose more drag races due to not being able to get the power down than the car not shifting fast enough. |
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