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This is a generational thing. We are the whining generation. We think everything was better in the past, because our generation is lonely and depressed. But in reality, everything is better now. Including 3 series, smartphones, laptops, world peace, economy, etc. As for Alfa, I drove one in Europe. Interior is ridiculously bad for its category. Steering is too fast for highway cruising. It felt sportier than F30, but it's been a while since I drove it, so can't compare to G20. However, as it's always been, 3 series is a great all rounder in addition to being a sport saloon. There is room on the "Sportier" side of the spectrum, and Alfa is benefiting from that. 3 series has to be great on the highway, great on the winding roads, should have great quality and reliability, should have cutting edge tech, and should be fun to drive in winding roads. Alfa should just be fun on winding roads to make headlines for shallow american publishers as c&d and mt. And that's the only thing it's really good at. That's why I've been ignoring C&D and MT for a while. Today's audience needs viral headlines and that's what they deliver, not a balanced through review of anything.
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BMW has had to change with a changing world. They have to appease to hundreds of millions more people than they did 10-15 years ago, and in an increasingly tech-dominated society buyer preferences have changed. I get all that, but the end result still sucks for me either way and I'm going to whine about it.
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Once again, BMW chose to supply an overspecced car with the Track Package fitted, AKA the kidney stone removal option.
The Alfa has been praised for its ride/handling compromise from the start. The interiors can look dour and boring to gorgeous depending on what you specify. Find one online with the Crema leather and light wood and you will see what I mean. However, as I have posted elsewhere, Alfa Romeo have managed to line the pockets of a good number of Lemon Law attorneys since its US comeback. One dealer in Phoenix has a large selection of buyback vehicles that are now (supposedly) fixed. Is the G20 more reliable straight out of the box? I would hope so, although it's hardly a challenge. The biggest issue over here in the US will be dealers ordering highly specified cars at insane prices. The Motortrend car is a perfect example. $60k for a 4-banger 3-series is possible, just don't expect anyone to actually buy it. As for the Track Option, they should remove them all at the dock given the state of US roads. Last edited by agentorange; 06-11-2019 at 05:10 PM.. Reason: Oops. G20 not G30 |
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But from an enjoyment perspective, both my E36 and E90 are more fun, more enjoyable, and I'd take either one of them over the G30 if I had to pick just one car. I'm not waxing nostalgic. There are days I've driven the G30 and E36 back to back and I vastly prefer the E36. Due to some back issues, I need the multi contour seats in the G30 as a daily, but thats the only reason I'm driving it. When the lease on the G30 is up, I'm either going to go M2c to get some of that fun back, or E39 or E90 to have a nice balance between comfort and driving enjoyment. If my E90 wasn't destroyed, I'd still be driving it. |
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i was in the market for the Giulia Veloce, and just randomly cross shopped the BMW 3 series one spare afternoon.
ended up with my first BMW ( previous Alfa owner ). besides first hand experience at Alfa unreliability, there are enough stories about Giulia's breaking to put me off. plus.. .the interior on the G20 is light years ahead of the Alfa. it was old when it came out, and now it looks ancient. Last edited by Brett240; 06-11-2019 at 10:32 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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It's a downright shameful interior in base trims. You need a good color scheme and full leather option to make it bearable.
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Conversely if you look at the British publications they can't seem to praise the G20 enough. It seems like there has been a rift in terms of opinions of BMW dynamics since the F10 5 series came out. For my money the G20 feels much more engaging than the C-Class an A4 but I haven't tried the Alfa.
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I’ve driven the F82 many times both on track and on street. I vastly prefer my e36 to the F82. The power in the f82 is obviously on a completely different level but the e36 is much more engaging. Power isn’t all that important to me as much as feeling a connection with the car, which is lacking in the f82 which has a clinical precision but is boring and sterile. I was hoping the G80 would bring back some of that emotion older m cars had, but this MT article isn’t promising since BMW claimed they were making the G20 a return to driving enjoyment and it doesn’t seem like that’s happening. And I know it will sound crazy but the latest gen camaro has the sort of feel BMW used to. Even though the steering is EPS it manages to give the right balance between feel, speed, and precision and is in perfect harmony with the suspension. The camaro feels like a slightly more refined e39 with better dynamics. If Chevy can do it, BMW can certainly do it. They’re choosing not to. |
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Like I said, it’s a fine car. It’s just too disconnected for me. It’s refined, the engine and trans combo is brilliant, and it’s a great highway cruiser. I just personally think it’s a little dull.
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I have one, mine has the m-sport package and I'll say its extremely dull. It's a great luxury car but the sport aspect is lacking
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It's like you don't know what build & material quality is. G30 has the best materials I've ever seen in a BMW except for 7 series. Every single plastic piece is soft and high end (Except for the little door left of steering wheel which is mostly irrelevant), and everything fits perfectly I didn't drive 530i extensively, but 540i MSport wants to be pushed, sings when you want it to sing, hugs the road much much better than E39s that I drove including the V8 540i, has perfect balance of comfort & handling, and it's a lot of fun to drive. I like it better than my F82 M4, I actually like it better than any other car I've had in the past. Leaving nostalgic feelings aside; in reality, E39 didn't hug the road better, didn't have a better suspension, didn't have better materials, didn't have better engine. It probably had better steering 'feel', but it was soft.
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The G30 is a fabulous automobile and it does what it does best.... Eat the miles in absolute and pristine comfort and safety. It's a car that was designed to be an excellent family hauler with a hint of sportiness. Nothing more, nothing less. And if you want a sportier 5er, you can get the 540i, M550i, M5, M5 Competition and Alpina B5.
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